版主he_zr说“印第安人跟动物没多大区别”

ruiew 发表于 2017-12-1 23:04
这个问题永远都不能搞清楚，你多重标准去看问题，从一开始屁股就坐歪了，与某些日本人一样。我也不想与你 ...

没有搞不清的问题，只有搞不清问题的脑袋。

clm0600 发表于 2017-12-1 23:05
内华达州就是西部牛仔的地盘，文中已经写了，那放牧的地方有珍惜的沙漠龟需要保护，可见就是个半荒漠地带 ...

那些放牧到哪就宣称哪是他们的土地，这除了说明多了你等几个同类，此外还能说明什么？

谁说印第安人反对农耕了？ 印第安人是自己耕种土地的，耕种+渔猎为生。

印第安人绝对不是主要以放牧为生的，他们之所以迁徙，经常性的搬家，是因为他们并没有像中国人一样掌握金属冶炼技术（这一点古代中国人是享受了非常发达的文明），因为没有金属的农具，所以不能在坚硬的土地上耕种，只能种在水边柔软的沙地，用树干树枝之类的工具可以进行农耕。

但沙地的问题是土壤肥力比较贫瘠，所以一般十年二十年最多30年以后就必须轮番换新的土地来耕种才能收获粮食，那么印第安人就必须搬到新的地方去，否则每天来回路上耕种通勤的时间太久，所以他们就一块块土地的搬家。耕种需要水源，所以印第安人主要集中住在河流、五大湖流域等湿地附近，适合耕种有灌溉水源。

印第安人有自己的文明，虽然文化落后但也是聪明的人。

印第安人怎么可能是野兽一样的人，很多最早期的欧洲移民、欧洲殖民者和当地印第安土著早已经通婚几百年，形成一大类新的混血土著民族，既不是纯种印第安，也不是纯种欧洲人，长相也确实不错。


曾经中国也一度很落后，所以被外国殖民者屠杀。

印第安有很多部落，各个部落之间也有对于土地的协议。还有很多联合酋长国之类，他们有自己的法律、协议、沟通、合作、部落之间的冲突。

直到今天，土著部落依然永久性享有属于自己部落的永久性领域和土地，外人不经允许绝不可以擅自闯入，否则土著部落有权开枪捍卫自己的土地，法律上早就承认了这一点，土著部落因为是原住民，拥有永久性属于自己的土地所有权，所以永远无需向ZF交纳任何的地税房产税，在属于自己部落土地上的收入好像也豁免了收入所得税，即使法律上不是如此规定，实际上也是近乎如此的操作

xiaosyu 发表于 2017-12-2 11:30
谁说印第安人反对农耕了？ 印第安人是自己耕种土地的，耕种+渔猎为生。

去看看托克维尔关于印第安人的论述。

he_zr 发表于 2017-12-2 00:10
历史学家托克维尔在《论北美印第安人的命运》一文中记述着印第安人极力反对农耕，指的就是殖民时代的现状 ...

你把托克维尔《论北美印第安人的命运》中的原话拿出来，他说的是所有的印第安人（包括南美的印第安人）都极力反对农耕，过的都是游猎生活吗？拿不出来原话就是你在编造谎言！

我所给出的《美国史》里面对印第安人的生活方式已经讲得很清楚，虽然有游猎、采集生活的，但也有不少过的是农耕生活，包括具体的地区分布、农业作物、耕作方式等都有具体介绍。具体一个地区以何种生活方式为主，在很大程度上是受自然条件制约的。这些都足以证明你的“印第安人极力反对农耕”就是你编造的谎言。

he_zr 发表于 2017-12-2 12:20
去看看托克维尔关于印第安人的论述。

如果托克维尔说的就是百分百的事实和真理，那么你可以手捧红宝书，将其视为宇宙终极的真理

我上面所说的是北美一位资深考古学家对印第安人文明考古了一辈子所得出的结论，他做的报告。

他说，所有考古的发现让他明白了印第安人是多么聪明的人，如何懂得利用各种自然环境和条件来尽可能的为自己创造好的生活条件。（确实没有中国人聪明因为中国人懂得冶炼金属）

印第安人住在水草地附近是因为他们没有金属工具去挖土壤，为了节省劳动力，所以要在松软的土地上耕种。但这种土壤沙化比较快，所以印第安人轮种，几十年就在附近换块地，让土壤休耕。
东北地区部落的LONG HOUSE
Longhouse_ Native Indian Houses for kids ___.pdf (258.3 KB)

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虽然深信黑人种族，印第安人整体的文化远远落后于亚洲和欧洲人，但他们也并不蠢

he_zr 发表于 2017-12-2 12:20
去看看托克维尔关于印第安人的论述。

请你拿出所有印第安人包括南美的印第安人都极力反对农耕的原话，拿不出就是你在编造谎言！

请你给出“印第安人跟动物没多大区别”的历史事实，给不出就是你在颠倒黑白！

（另有一个关于农耕的回复正在审核）

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The Green Corn Festival was celebrated by many Indian tribes in one form or another. These early people were very grateful for their harvests. Tribes held several festivals each year to say prayers of thanks to their gods. One of the most important was the Green Corn Festival. This festival was held in late summer or early fall, when the corn they had planted had ripened on the stalk. The expression "green corn" refers to ripened sweet corn, corn you could eat.

These early people were great farmers. They depended on three staples - corn, beans, and squash. In the Woodland areas, these food items were so important that they had a name. They were called "The Three Sisters". The Three Sisters were mixed together to make a vegetable dish called succotash. But corn was always special.

Even after the Green Corn Festival, some corn was left on the stalk to additionally ripen, to help the drying process. Dried corn and dried corn meal were both very important staple items to help these early people eat well through the long winter ahead.

Boiled Corn Bread: The Iroquois Indians made a wonderful boiled corn bread. They made flour by pounding corn into flour. To make bread, they mixed water with corn flour. Sometimes cooked beans were added, or berries or nuts. The bread was kneaded and formed into small loaves. The loaves were dropped into boiling water and cooked until the bread floated. Boiled corn bread was served both hot and cold. They also used the same bread mix to bake bread by putting it on clay tablets in the fire. They used sunflower oil to fry bread.

Iroquois Time reading questiosn answered 11.pdf (39.5 KB)

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The Iroquois celebrate six major festivals a year. This includes, the New Years Festival in the winter, the Maple Festival in the spring. the Corn Planting Festival, the Strawberry Festival, the Green Corn Festival, and the Harvest Festival of Thanksgiving. The government consists of a high council in each village. All representatives of the council are elected by members of the tribe. 50 sachems, or peace-makers, are members of the council. The Iroquois Indians do not practice a dominant religion, they just believe in supernatural spirits. The main spirit is the Great-Creator, who is said to be the creator of all things on Earth. They also worshiped Thunderer and the the Three Sisters, the spirits of corn, beans, and squash