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原来国外学人也并不总是彬彬有礼。

“据知情者说,斯蒂格利茨在读到这封信的时候,有好一会儿‘目瞪口呆’,惊讶得说不出话来。”(引自他处)

《全球化及其不满》,俺数次听本院数位老师提到过;反全球化,本院更是猛将如云;反“华盛顿共识”,几乎已经成为共识;请三思!

请讨厌斯蒂格利茨者顶!

特别注意第二段,有趣至极。

An Open Letter1 By Kenneth Rogoff, Economic Counsellor and Director of Research, International Monetary Fund

To Joseph Stiglitz, Author of Globalization and Its Discontents (New York: W.W. Norton & Company, June 2002)

Washington D.C., July 2, 2002

At the outset, I would like to stress that it has been a pleasure working closely with my World Bank colleagues—particularly my counterpart, Chief Economist Nick Stern—during my first year at the IMF. We regularly cross 19th Street to exchange ideas on research, policy, and life. The relations between our two institutions are excellent—this is not at issue. Of course, to that effect, I think it is also important, before I begin, for me to quash rumors about the demolition of the former PEPCO building that stood right next to the IMF until a few days ago. No, it's absolutely not true that this was caused by a loose cannon planted within the World Bank.

Dear Joe:

Like you, I came to my position in Washington from the cloisters of a tenured position at a top-ranking American University. Like you, I came because I care. Unlike you, I am humbled by the World Bank and IMF staff I meet each day. I meet people who are deeply committed to bringing growth to the developing world and to alleviating poverty. I meet superb professionals who regularly work 80-hour weeks, who endure long separations from their families. Fund staff have been shot at in Bosnia, slaved for weeks without heat in the brutal Tajikistan winter, and have contracted deadly tropical diseases in Africa. These people are bright, energetic, and imaginative. Their dedication humbles me, but in your speeches, in your book, you feel free to carelessly slander them.2

Joe, you may not remember this, but in the late 1980s, I once enjoyed the privilege of being in the office next to yours for a semester. We young economists all looked up to you in awe. One of my favorite stories from that era is a lunch with you and our former colleague, Carl Shapiro, at which the two of you started discussing whether Paul Volcker merited your vote for a tenured appointment at Princeton. At one point, you turned to me and said, "Ken, you used to work for Volcker at the Fed. Tell me, is he really smart?" I responded something to the effect of "Well, he was arguably the greatest Federal Reserve Chairman of the twentieth century" To which you replied, "But is he smart like us?" I wasn't sure how to take it, since you were looking across at Carl, not me, when you said it.

My reason for telling this story is two-fold. First, perhaps the Fund staff who you once blanket-labeled as "third rate"—and I guess you meant to include World Bank staff in this judgment also—will feel better if they know they are in the same company as the great Paul Volcker. Second, it is emblematic of the supreme self-confidence you brought with you to Washington, where you were confronted with policy problems just a little bit more difficult than anything in our mathematical models. This confidence brims over in your new 282 page book. Indeed, I failed to detect a single instance where you, Joe Stiglitz, admit to having been even slightly wrong about a major real world problem. When the U.S. economy booms in the 1990s, you take some credit. But when anything goes wrong, it is because lesser mortals like Federal Reserve Chairman Greenspan or then-Treasury Secretary Rubin did not listen to your advice.

Let me make three substantive points. First, there are many ideas and lessons in your book with which we at the Fund would generally agree, though most of it is old hat. For example, we completely agree that there is a need for a dramatic change in how we handle situations where countries go bankrupt. IMF First Deputy Managing Director Anne Krueger—who you paint as a villainess for her 1980s efforts to promote trade liberalization in World Bank policy—has forcefully advocated a far reaching IMF proposal. At our Davos [World Economic Forum] panel in February you sharply criticized the whole idea. Here, however, you now want to take credit as having been the one to strongly advance it first. Your book is long on innuendo and short on footnotes. Can you document this particular claim?

Second, you put forth a blueprint for how you believe the IMF can radically improve its advice on macroeconomic policy. Your ideas are at best highly controversial, at worst, snake oil. This leads to my third and most important point. In your role as chief economist at the World Bank, you decided to become what you see as a heroic whistleblower, speaking out against macroeconomic policies adopted during the 1990s Asian crisis that you believed to be misguided. You were 100% sure of yourself, 100% sure that your policies were absolutely the right ones. In the middle of a global wave of speculative attacks, that you yourself labeled a crisis of confidence, you fueled the panic by undermining confidence in the very institutions you were working for. Did it ever occur to you for a moment that your actions might have hurt the poor and indigent people in Asia that you care about so deeply? Do you ever lose a night's sleep thinking that just maybe, Alan Greenspan, Larry Summers, Bob Rubin, and Stan Fischer had it right—and that your impulsive actions might have deepened the downturn or delayed—even for a day—the recovery we now see in Asia?

Let's look at Stiglitzian prescriptions for helping a distressed emerging market debtor, the ideas you put forth as superior to existing practice. Governments typically come to the IMF for financial assistance when they are having trouble finding buyers for their debt and when the value of their money is falling. The Stiglitzian prescription is to raise the profile of fiscal deficits, that is, to issue more debt and to print more money. You seem to believe that if a distressed government issues more currency, its citizens will suddenly think it more valuable. You seem to believe that when investors are no longer willing to hold a government's debt, all that needs to be done is to increase the supply and it will sell like hot cakes. We at the IMF—no, make that we on the Planet Earth—have considerable experience suggesting otherwise. We earthlings have found that when a country in fiscal distress tries to escape by printing more money, inflation rises, often uncontrollably. Uncontrolled inflation strangles growth, hurting the entire populace but, especially the indigent. The laws of economics may be different in your part of the gamma quadrant, but around here we find that when an almost bankrupt government fails to credibly constrain the time profile of its fiscal deficits, things generally get worse instead of better.

Joe, throughout your book, you condemn the IMF because everywhere it seems to be, countries are in trouble. Isn't this a little like observing that where there are epidemics, one tends to find more doctors?

You cloak yourself in the mantle of John Maynard Keynes, saying that the aim of your policies is to maintain full employment. We at the IMF care a lot about employment. But if a government has come to us, it is often precisely because it is in an unsustainable position, and we have to look not just at the next two weeks, but at the next two years and beyond. We certainly believe in the lessons of Keynes, but in a modern, nuanced way. For example, the post-1975 macroeconomics literature—which you say we are tone deaf to—emphasizes the importance of budget constraints across time. It does no good to pile on IMF debt as a very short-run fix if it makes the not-so-distant future drastically worse. By the way, in blatant contradiction to your assertion, IMF programs frequently allow for deficits, indeed they did so in the Asia crisis. If its initial battlefield medicine was wrong, the IMF reacted, learning from its mistakes, quickly reversing course.

No, instead of Keynes, I would cloak your theories in the mantle of Arthur Laffer and other extreme expositors of 1980s Reagan-style supply-side economics. Laffer believed that if the government would only cut tax rates, people would work harder, and total government revenues would rise. The Stiglitz-Laffer theory of crisis management holds that countries need not worry about expanding deficits, as in so doing, they will increase their debt service capacity more than proportionately. George Bush, Sr. once labeled these ideas "voodoo economics." He was right. I will concede, Joe, that real-world policy economics is complicated, and just maybe further research will prove you have a point. But what really puzzles me is how you could be so sure that you are 100 percent right, so sure that you were willing to "blow the whistle" in the middle of the crisis, sniping at the paramedics as they tended the wounded. Joe, the academic papers now coming out in top journals are increasingly supporting the interest defense policies of former First Deputy Managing Director Stan Fischer and the IMF that you, from your position at the World Bank, ignominiously sabotaged. Do you ever think that just maybe, Joe Stiglitz might have screwed up? That, just maybe, you were part of the problem and not part of the solution?

You say that the IMF is tone deaf and never listens to its critics. I know that is not true, because in my academic years, I was one of dozens of critics that the IMF bent over backwards to listen to. For example, during the 1980s, I was writing then-heretical papers on the moral hazard problem in IMF/World Bank lending, an issue that was echoed a decade later in the Meltzer report. Did the IMF shut out my views as potentially subversive to its interests? No, the IMF insisted on publishing my work in its flagship research publication Staff Papers. Later, in the 1990s, Stan Fischer twice invited me to discuss my views on fixed exchange rates and open capital markets (I warned of severe risks). In the end, Stan and I didn't agree on everything, but I will say that having entered his office 99 percent sure that I was right, I left somewhat humbled by the complexities of price stabilization in high-inflation countries. If only you had crossed over 19th Street from the Bank to the Fund a little more often, Joe, maybe things would have turned out differently.

I don't have time here to do justice to some of your other offbeat policy prescriptions, but let me say this about the transition countries. You accuse the IMF of having "lost Russia." Your analysis of the transition in Russia reads like a paper in which a theorist abstracts from all the major problems, and focuses only on the couple he can handle. You neglect entirely the fact that when the IMF entered Russia, the country was not only in the middle of an economic crisis, it was in the middle of a social and political crisis as well.

Throughout your book, you betray an unrelenting belief in the pervasiveness of market failures, and a staunch conviction that governments can and will make things better. You call us "market fundamentalists." We do not believe that markets are always perfect, as you accuse. But we do believe there are many instances of government failure as well and that, on the whole, government failure is a far bigger problem than market failure in the developing world. Both World Bank President Jim Wolfensohn and IMF Managing Director Horst Köhler have frequently pointed to the fundamental importance of governance and institutions in development. Again, your alternative medicines, involving ever-more government intervention, are highly dubious in many real-world settings.

I haven't had time, Joe, to check all the facts in your book, but I do have some doubts. On page 112, you have Larry Summers (then Deputy U.S. Treasury Secretary) giving a "verbal" tongue lashing to former World Bank Vice-President Jean-Michel Severino. But, Joe, these two have never met. How many conversations do you report that never happened? You give an example where an IMF Staff report was issued prior to the country visit. Joe, this isn't done; I'd like to see your documentation. On page 208, you slander former IMF number two, Stan Fischer, implying that Citibank may have dangled a job offer in front of him in return for his cooperation in debt renegotiations. Joe, Stan Fischer is well known to be a person of unimpeachable integrity. Of all the false inferences and innuendos in this book, this is the most outrageous. I'd suggest you should pull this book off the shelves until this slander is corrected.

Joe, as an academic, you are a towering genius. Like your fellow Nobel Prize winner, John Nash, you have a "beautiful mind." As a policymaker, however, you were just a bit less impressive.

Other than that, I thought it was a pretty good book.

Sincerely yours,

Ken

1 Used as opening remarks at a June 28 discussion of Mr. Stiglitz's book at the World Bank, organized by the World Bank's Infoshop 2 For example: "It was not just that IMF policy might be regarded by softheaded liberals as inhumane. Even if one cared little for those who faced starvation, or the children whose growth had been stunted by malnutrition, it was simply bad economics." Joseph Stiglitz,Globalization and Its Discontents, p 119.

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闲人 发表于 2004-7-6 22:09:00 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
斯迪格利茨的学术贡献被夸大了。在中国尤其被夸大。因为他是诺奖得主,又是世行的官员,这种复合身份是国内经济学家最为崇拜和向往的。所以,国内的经济学家眼中更多的关注他的一举一动,而对其它真正的经济学理论进展倒忽视了。这也反映出国内经济学界的泡沫化生存方式。
面对渐渐忘却历史的人们,我一直尽力呼喊!

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nie 发表于 2004-7-13 22:35:00 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
hehe
天下滔滔,我看到象牙塔一座一座倒掉, 不禁为那些被囚禁的普通灵魂感到庆幸, 然而,当我看到, 还有少数几座依然不倒, 不禁对它们肃然起敬, 不知坚守其中的, 是怎样一些灵魂?

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luke 发表于 2004-7-22 10:50:00 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群

同意闲人!

杨小凯同志对他有类似的评论。

杨倒比较欣赏张五常。

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-7-22 10:51:39编辑过]

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sylvia 发表于 2004-7-22 11:44:00 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
Joe, as an academic, you are a towering genius. Like your fellow Nobel Prize winner, John Nash, you have a "beautiful mind." As a policymaker, however, you were just a bit less impressive.

Other than that, I thought it was a pretty good book.

呵呵,看来讽刺人也很讲究艺术性。
志不求易,事不避难。

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rebecca_80 发表于 2004-8-13 12:43:00 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群

看来对Stiglitz要更全面的认识下了

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三石一号 发表于 2004-8-18 13:02:00 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
对Stiglitz要有一个正确全面的认识,不要盲目崇拜某个人.正确的态度应该是扬弃,吸取其思想精华推动经济学本身的发展.他的理论也是在一定假设条件下才成立的.确实,对于经济学大师,我们应该佩服他,但是要知道他的成绩不是先天的,而是后天的.当然,不能否认其天赋.然而,天才上99%的努力加上1%的天赋的.所以,我们应该审视显现实,辨证地看待问题,树立的正确的学术观和研究观.
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yutiger 发表于 2004-11-9 18:51:00 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群

谁都有精华和糟粕 什么都要一分为二

太局于某一点,是不对的 呵呵

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天堂郁金香 发表于 2004-12-12 19:08:00 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群

Stiglitz是二道贩子,呵呵

杨小凯说的!!他把Steven.Chuang的东西深加工而已!

不以物喜 不以己悲

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leeleel 发表于 2004-12-12 21:17:00 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群

我来唱唱反调--在人大的BBS上做斑竹,屁股还没有热,首页公告栏里“热烈庆祝”的标语还没撤掉,leeleel就要得罪人了,实在是不好意思。

一刹春贴出来这个帖子,实在很好,本来我也期望可以有一场关于Stiglitz的贡献的介绍和辩论,搞了半天出来,原来成了一场闹剧。

我想说的是,关于前人的贡献,不管别人怎么说,自己作出判断的时候总还是要有些根据,至于根据是不是合理,那可以继续商量,但至少要有点根据。开口骂人其实是很容易的事,当然也很痛快,尤其被骂的还是个得了诺奖的牛人。

现在有人比较激烈的批评Stiglitz,跟进的人这么多,还是比较意外--意外的是这么多人没有一个拿出了根据,除了人云亦云之外。

要说被人家批评和嘲笑,跟当年对Friedman的批评比起来,对Stiglitz的批评其实并不算什么。但是据我所知,诺贝尔奖得主中浪得虚名的还是不多--它可能把有水平的淘汰掉,但是得了奖的那些经济学家,据我所知,还都是一流高手。

Stiglitz的成果可以批评,这是常识,但是批评和攻击谩骂有本质的区别。学者到了习惯于攻击谩骂的程度,作为学者的他,也就死掉了。

用杨小凯的判断来佐证Stiglitz的无能,未免有些可笑。杨小凯在经济学研究中体现出来的精神很值得学习,但是他的看法和结论明显还是不能说在经济学家中取得广泛的认同。比如说,对于新古典经济学的批评,杨就常常有不准确的地方,其中包括对于新古典本身的误解。至于杨说,Stiglitz是二道贩子,尤其说是贩卖张五常的思想,虽然斯人已逝,我还是要说这太不厚道。首先未免思想上有类似的地方,就可以称为二道贩子。第二,反过来问一个问题:翻开杨的《经济学原理》,看看其中关于企业的分析,你很快就会碰到一个问题--如果Stiglitz的贡献可以说成是二道贩子贩卖张五常的思想的话,那这又叫什么呢?

实际上,Stiglitz的贡献,在中国,不是被夸大了,也不是被缩小了,更不是被误解了,而是绝大部分评论的人都对他的贡献都根本不了解--否则也用不着到拿着别人的结论来洋洋自得地吹上一番。大部分批评他的人,对Stiglitz的了解可能仅仅包括,第一,他是一位诺奖得主;第二,他写了一套教科书;第三,他对信息经济学有贡献,至于贡献究竟是什么,不知道;第四,他在世界银行当过官;第五,杨小凯和张五常说过他的闲话。

说了这么多,我的中心思想是,要批评一个人的学术成果,可以,而且很好,但是首先总得把人家的东西拿来看看,然后想想是不是那么回事。否则--还是闭嘴的好。

唱反调一向不受欢迎,可是不唱反调就不热闹了。

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-12-12 21:48:07编辑过]

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