对官僚集团的阶级分析

jameschin007 发表于 2013-1-28 15:31
组织批准的重婚，就不是重婚，就不是和多名异性保持不正当关系。

没错。

你想得太简单啦

当代马克思 发表于 2013-1-26 22:42
华盛顿之类的本就是奴隶主，种族灭绝算为人民服务吗？美国ZF是商业ZF，控制政治的始终是商人。

你要先理解statesman 和 politician的区别。   

loveorange 发表于 2013-1-30 08:33
你要先理解statesman 和 politician的区别。

人民是谁？谢司起义是怎么回事？

当代马克思 发表于 2013-1-30 13:10
人民是谁？谢司起义是怎么回事？

所答非所问那你。独立战争中资产阶级和投机商发了财没错，但债务出了问题，催债是州ZF还是联邦ZF，那会纸币的发行权在谁手里？美国的国债是因何而发行？美国联邦ZF用了多长时间还清全部债务，稳定经济？美国国债是不是很快就成为欧洲债券市场上的强手货？

系统的看几本书，全面了解情况，先把statesman 和 politician的区别搞清楚，看看前几位总统是怎样考虑国家事务的，以偏概全有意思么？

loveorange 发表于 2013-1-30 14:57
所答非所问那你。独立战争中资产阶级和投机商发了财没错，但债务出了问题，催债是州ZF还是联邦ZF，那会纸 ...

丝毫没有阶级概念。

当代马克思 发表于 2013-1-30 15:07
丝毫没有阶级概念。

谢司起义是国内的说法，国外用的是Shays' Rebellion，本质不是阶级矛盾，看看资料再说话。

Shays' Rebellion was an armed uprising that took place in central and western Massachusetts in 1786 and 1787. The rebellion was named after Daniel Shays, a veteran of the American Revolutionary War and one of the rebel leaders.

The rebellion started on August 29, 1786. It was precipitated by several factors: financial difficulties brought about by a post-war economic depression, a credit squeeze caused by a lack of hard currency, and fiscally harsh government policies instituted in 1785 to solve the state's debt problems. Protesters, including many war veterans, shut down county courts in the later months of 1786 to stop the judicial hearings for tax and debt collection. The protesters became radicalized against the state government following the arrests of some of their leaders, and began to organize an armed force. A militia raised as a private army defeated a Shaysite (rebel) attempt to seize the federal Springfield Armory in late January 1787, killing four and wounding 20. The main Shaysite force was scattered on February 4, 1787, after a surprise attack on their camp in Petersham, Massachusetts. Scattered resistance continued until June 1787, with the single most significant action being an incident in Sheffield in late February, where 30 rebels were wounded (one mortally) in a skirmish with government troops.

The rebellion took place in a political climate where reform of the country's governing document, the Articles of Confederation, was widely seen as necessary. The events of the rebellion, most of which occurred after the Philadelphia Convention had been called but before it began in May 1787, are widely seen to have affected the debates on the shape of the new government. The exact nature and consequence of the rebellion's influence on the content of the Constitution and the ratification debates continues to be a subject of historical discussion and debate.

loveorange 发表于 2013-1-30 16:11
谢司起义是国内的说法，国外用的是Shays' Rebellion，本质不是阶级矛盾，看看资料再说话。

Shays' Reb ...

起义还是叛乱，完全看阶级立场，自古以来农民起义都被统治阶级视为大逆不道的叛乱的。

当代马克思 发表于 2013-1-30 17:18
起义还是叛乱，完全看阶级立场，自古以来农民起义都被统治阶级视为大逆不道的叛乱的。

谢司是什么身份呢？这件事的经过你搞清楚没有？看看资料很累么？

loveorange 发表于 2013-1-31 08:08
谢司是什么身份呢？这件事的经过你搞清楚没有？看看资料很累么？

看资料不累，但不全，谢司退伍后干什么去了？