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萨伊定律在主流经济学界死灰复燃?大家有什么说的吗? [推广有奖]

fujo11 在职认证  发表于 2017-5-7 15:22:52 |显示全部楼层 |坛友微信交流群
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Say's law, or the law of markets, in classical economics, states that aggregate production necessarily creates an equal quantity of aggregate demand. The French economist Jean-Baptiste Say (1767–1832) introduced the idea in 1803, in his principal work, A Treatise on Political Economy (Traité d'économie politique):

A product is no sooner created, than it, from that instant, affords a market for other products to the full extent of its own value.[1]

and

As each of us can only purchase the productions of others with his own productions – as the value we can buy is equal to the value we can produce, the more men can produce, the more they will purchase.[2]

Say further argued that this law of markets implies that a general glut (the term used in Say's time for a widespread excess of supply over demand) cannot occur. If there is a surplus of one good, there must be unmet demand for another: "If certain goods remain unsold, it is because other goods are not produced."[2] Say's law has been one of the principal doctrines used to support the laissez-faire belief that a capitalist economy will naturally tend toward full employment and prosperity without government intervention.[3][4]

Over the years, at least two objections to Say's law have been raised:

General gluts do occur, particularly during recessions and depressions.
Economic agents may collectively choose to increase the amount of money they hold, thereby reducing demand but not supply.
Say's law was generally accepted throughout the 19th century, though modified to incorporate the idea of a "boom-and-bust" cycle. During the worldwide Great Depression of the 1930s, the theories of Keynesian economics disputed Say's conclusions.

Scholars disagree on the question of whether it was Say who first stated the principle,[5][6] but by convention, Say's law has been another name for the law of markets ever since John Maynard Keynes used the term in the 1930s.

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DC1415 发表于 2017-5-7 16:11:09 |显示全部楼层 |坛友微信交流群
lwzxy 发表于 2017-5-7 14:44
这时,路人甲出现了。

他对星期五说:“你有效需求不足”。
非常精辟,读着酣畅

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醉沫离殇 在职认证  发表于 2017-5-7 19:18:39 |显示全部楼层 |坛友微信交流群
前来围观

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这是哪门课,我没有学过呢>_<

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这是哪门课,我没有学过呢>_<

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rrllqq 发表于 2017-5-8 09:10:19 |显示全部楼层 |坛友微信交流群
clm0600 发表于 2017-5-7 16:42
那就是说凯恩斯革命有关的一代主流经济学家们都错了,白放了半个世纪的屁?
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我只说他 ...
你的观点不重复我也知道,我问的关键问题是:凯恩斯提出 的新问题,开拓的新视野哪里去了?黑不提、白不提就回到鲁冰逊的荒岛上了?——这到底是怎么回事?

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rrllqq 发表于 2017-5-8 09:10:31 |显示全部楼层 |坛友微信交流群
clm0600 发表于 2017-5-7 16:42
那就是说凯恩斯革命有关的一代主流经济学家们都错了,白放了半个世纪的屁?
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我只说他 ...
你的观点不重复我也知道,我问的关键问题是:凯恩斯提出 的新问题,开拓的新视野哪里去了?黑不提、白不提就回到鲁冰逊的荒岛上了?——这到底是怎么回事?

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rrllqq 发表于 2017-5-8 09:20:52 |显示全部楼层 |坛友微信交流群
whe58 发表于 2017-5-7 15:20
需求是短期问题,供给是长期问题,不要混为一谈。
老听说这句话,似懂非懂不明白。进入过剩经济几十年了,从争做500强,到天天寻找新市场、新项目,这不是一个长期的需求态势的影响吗?
  需求不就是供给的另一面吗?一短一长是你人为定出来的观察视角吧?你也可以观察长期的需求升级,影响短期的产业供给吧?
   短期需求,长期供给的根本原因是什么?反正,我理解萨伊他老人家可没有区分长期、短期,加上这个长短期,萨伊定律就完美了吗?

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rrllqq 发表于 2017-5-8 09:25:43 |显示全部楼层 |坛友微信交流群
yuan79101 发表于 2017-5-7 10:04
萨伊所说的供给是指市场自身可不包括ZF投资。
当然不包括ZF投资了,问题是萨伊定律对了,就不需要ZF投资了。29年大危机以前,ZF可没投资,照样危机了好多次,且一次比一次大。

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whe58 在职认证  发表于 2017-5-8 09:47:55 |显示全部楼层 |坛友微信交流群
rrllqq 发表于 2017-5-8 09:20
老听说这句话,似懂非懂不明白。进入过剩经济几十年了,从争做500强,到天天寻找新市场、新项目,这不是一 ...
我们不在同一个频道上。

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