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索然 在职认证  发表于 2011-11-9 07:30:30 |AI写论文

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    • Michael J Mumford 11 hours ago

      I think that Economics 10 students are justified in requesting a broad and eclectic approach to basic economic theory. For most of my working life as an academic working in accounting, I have found economics to be of central importance to my work, but often only loosely connected to the neo-classical equilibrium analysis of well-traded markets. Indeed, even transaction cost economics (TCE) is weakened when it is presented as "market failure" in an otherwise ideal model, rather than essential to explaining important decisions over information disclosure by corporations. A pity that students in Economics 10 don't begin with Kenneth Galbraith's "New Industrial State", which I recall him maintaining in a doctoral seminar was his best book!

      Michael J. Mumford
      University of Lancaster, UK
    • William Lazonick 8 hours ago

      It is great to see that some Harvard students are recognizing the connection between what is taught in Ec 10 and the “free-market” view of the world that has brought us the financial crisis, obscene income inequality, and an ongoing loss of good middle-class jobs. A local history lesson may be illuminating here. About 30 years ago, when I was an associate professor of economics at Harvard, my colleague Steve Marglin managed to have a series of three lectures on alternative approaches to economics integrated into the Ec 10 curriculum.  Each semester I delivered one of them. Then Larry Lindsey, a young assistant professor who would later be a Federal Reserve Board Governor and leading economics adviser to George W. Bush, took over the direction of Ec 10, and immediately, but unsuccessfully, tried to eliminate the alternative perspective. Finally, however, in 1984 Professor Martin Feldstein returned from his stint as chair of the Council of Economic Advisers under Ronald Reagan, and, as the new head of Ec 10, got the job done. One point of view would prevail, and the rest, as they say, is history.

      William Lazonick
      Cambridge MA
    • John Watkins 7 hours ago

      I impressed with the Harvard students who walked out. They are correct of course. Economic models have the appearance of objectivity, when in fact they are based on a set of assumptions that in turn are based on a set of values. The model of perfect competition, for example, the cornerstone of micro economic principles serves simply to justify the policy of laissez faire. Despite the lack of realism, the model and its more sophisticated general equilibrium version is the basis of many (thousands ) of studies, including the so-called fair tax. Good for the students.

      John P. Watkins
      Professor of Economics
      Westminster College
      Salt Lake City, UT
      Paul Baer 7 hours ago

      I didn't understand how unusual it was at the time, but in 1981 at Stanford, Econ 1 (or whatever the number was) was taught by John Gurley, an old-school Marxist economist, and he taught neo-classical and Marxist perspectives side by side. It was great to come out knowing about "relations of production" and not just production functions!





    • Eric Hake 6 hours ago

      As an economics instructor at a small college teaching a special topics
      course on Manias, Panics, and Crashes, I was delighted that one student chose to do their research paper on the role of economic theory in constructing a fragile, crisis prone economic system.   In addition to suggesting readings from the real world economics review, I have encouraged the student to review material from  the sister movements for economics reform at Harvard (the Marglin
      incident), the Cambridge 27, a series of articles in the Yale student paper, and the Kansas City Open Letter.
      The demonstration today and Professor Lazonick's response that provides additional info on the Marglin incident will certainly be useful for my student.  Hopefully as well the protest will lead to renewed
      interest in the issue.

      Eric Hake
      Associate Professor of Economics

      Catawba College
      Salisbury, NC
      Don Goldstein 6 hours ago
      Bravo/brava to the participants in the walkout from Mankiw's Ec 10.  You have drawn attention to the "normalization" of neoliberal, class-biased policy that occurs in the name of "science" in the textbook model a la Mankiw. I will go even further back than Lazonick in linking you to a long tradition (though he may remember this): In 1972-73, a group of us students, abetted by sympathetic section leaders, protested Otto Eckstein's Ec 10 by lecture-specific leafleting throughout the semester. We were trying to articulate alternative economic principles and program that could be useful to the movements of the day. A lot has changed since then, and I wish you well in doing the same vis-a-vis the Occupy movement.

      Don Goldstein
      Andrew Wells Robertson Chair of Economics
      Allegheny College

    • Rwagner6 5 hours ago

      In response to Patashnik: If Ec 10 is about introducing economics as a social science, it would seem reasonable then to introduce the historical foundations of economics and the social sciences; a subject which is absolutely ignored in the mass of intro econ textbooks (and if Adam Smith comes to mind, make sure that you read "Theory of Moral Sentiments".) I am quite sure that upon review of these "roots" (see, J.S. Mill "Chapters on Socialism"; A. Marshall "“Social Possibilities of Economic Chivalry”; William Graham Sumner "Folkways") any student would find that  economics is in fact providing normative answers about how to address social issues!


    • The Harvard walk-out participants appear to confirm a reoccurring
      theme within the “Occupy” movement, a consistent resistance to addressing our country’s
      economic and social challenges within the established confines of our federal constitutional
      republic.  Whether you’re goal is to
      change a country or your own personal life, effecting change requires effort,
      focus and gumption.  I am curious to know
      how many dissatisfied students visited Professor Mankiw during office hours in
      order to express their views or debate a specific topic.  My instincts tell me very few.  Whether at work, play or in school, we all
      bring our biases to the table. The sooner these students recognize this reality
      the sooner they can begin contributing to the society in which the majority of
      us live in.  It’s ironic, by shunning the
      responsibilities required to make this country great, haven’t they become the
      one percent?

      Richard Skalski
      Michigan State University, BA Economics
      Fordham University Graduate School of Business, MBA

      Andrew 3 hours ago in reply to Richard Skalski

      "by shunning the responsibilities required to make this country great, haven’t they become the
      one percent?"

      What the heck are you saying here?  What responsibilities are being shunned?

      Dmackenzie 1 hour ago

      Interesting quote: “I don’t know very much about economics, and it’s not really fair that I’m getting a skewed perspective.” How can someone who does not know much about economics know that Mankiw is skewed? Fact of the matter is that Mankiw is one of the original New Keynesians, a tad left of center...
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baishixiu 发表于 2011-11-9 07:44:17
能否翻译啊

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小辰xiaochen 发表于 2011-11-9 07:45:11
能否翻译啊
能否翻译啊

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小辰xiaochen 发表于 2011-11-9 07:45:30
拜托了

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gzgysr 发表于 2011-11-9 07:51:02

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chuxuezheah 发表于 2011-11-9 07:59:45
能否翻译成中文

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eric_yan0908 发表于 2011-11-9 08:00:09
感谢楼主的分享

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xcer88 发表于 2011-11-9 08:00:54
I thought more positive proposal should be brought up, "quit out of class" just like back off from market, is not healthy one.

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avvfsvsfsd 发表于 2011-11-9 08:08:49
我跟你说下我的观点吧——

首先,对于历史上曾经为经济学发展作出杰出贡献的人,我们都应该尊重。

其次,我们也应该看到,其理论的诞生,与其所处的历史环境是分不开的,所以认识到其历史大背景——其实是很重要的。

我可以给你举个例子——

前两天,有人提到了共产主义应该是——消除了家庭、消除了婚姻、所有的人都在一起工作——类似于集中营那种、所有的婴儿都在一起抚养——这种模式,我称之为“禽兽模式”!!!!!

所以,我的观点——我想象不出来共产主义是什么样子的,但是我可以按照中国的现状,可以去大胆想象一下社会主义的高级阶段是什么样子的——可能需要几百几千年后才能实现——

前两天,我看到了一篇文章,说东汉末年的时候——中国的人口是5000万。假设现在的中国人口是13亿。由于现在的人们生活水平比较高,所以如果现在一个人的一生的生存耗费是东汉末年的5个人的耗费的话,那么东汉末年只可以养活现在的人口是1000万。但是现在中国的人口是13亿,那么也就是——大致的估算——中国人的劳动生产率已经提高了130倍——相对于东汉末年来说!!!

那么,如果随着科技的发展,人类的劳动生产率在几百或几千年之后,有了很大的进步之后,比如再提高了150倍——那么,将会是以下情景——

比如人类可以在海里养殖动物、种植植物,比如可以利用培养液种植食物,从而使人类的食物生产摆脱了对土壤的依赖,同时沙漠、戈壁等也可以被改造成绿洲,那么人类就不用拥挤在大城市里,而是可以去任何地方居住,因为人类食物的生产摆脱了对土壤的需求之后,所有的陆地都可以恢复到人类农耕之前的状态,地球又会像几百万年之前那样到处都是植物,人类可以在任何地方安家。

在住宿方面,人类可以在任何地方安家——可能比现在的那些别墅还要好,因为周围可以是比较高级的植物、野生森林和各种动物,至于安全方面——如果可以高度发达的话,那么可以在住宅周围建起一个防护罩,人类可以自由出入,其他动物不行。

在工作和生活资料方面,由于科技高度发达,所以智能生产和机器人可以完全取代人类的体力劳动,所有人类——除了有兴趣从事体力劳动之外,都可以从体力劳动中解脱出来、交给机器人或者是智能设备生产——包括农产品、粮食的生产,人类只从事脑力劳动,这样的话,大多数人可以在自己的家里从事脑力劳动,由于通信设备的发达、可以随时与同时进行立体的视频沟通——立体视频——注意,所以在家里也可以和别人自由沟通。这样,就有更多的时间和家人、孩子、父母在一起,家人之间的感情更好——因为孩子也可以在家里接受教育——同样是通过立体视频的方式。

在交通方面,新型交通器已经出现,可以在空中飞行、潜水进入海洋以及陆地旅行,甚至可以直接飞到太空中去。所以,可以解决交通问题。


这种社会形式,现在人类就可以想象出来,但是你要知道——在东汉末年,当时的人类是想象不到现在的人类生活的。那么,你要知道——未来几百年或几千年之后,人类社会会发展成什么样子——现在的人可能也是无法想象的。所以,那种将人类集中起来进行管理、消灭夫妻、消灭家庭的做法,是不符合人性的发展规律的。因为从奴隶社会、到封建社会、到资本主义社会、到社会主义社会、到共产主义社会——如果是这种阶段的话,那么人的人性、人的尊严是会越来越受到尊重的,而不是被压抑的!!!!

所以,那种将人类集中起来进行管理、消除夫妻和家庭、将孩子们像猪一样集中抚养的做法,其实是不符合历史发展规律的,那种方式——可能比较适合已经被淘汰掉的社会。所以,随着人类社会的进步,科技的发展、人工智能的发展,整个社会是会越来越尊重人性的、尊重人的。

所以,不论是社会主义、共产主义,还是资本主义,其实很多理论的进步,都与当时的历史大环境息息相关的,对于那些曾经做出过突出贡献的人——我们要予以尊重,但是对于经济社会出现的新形势,又必须认识到、进行新的研究。

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研煎生 发表于 2011-11-9 08:09:44 来自手机
各人有个人意见吧。当然是在能发表意见的国家。很难想象作为ZF参谋,得到不同的观点。

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