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[CFA] 最新消息:北美几大精算协会联合提议用大学课程取代Preliminary Exams [推广有奖]

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killer1832 发表于 2009-8-18 18:14:36
HW_Consultant 发表于 2009-8-18 11:17
I disagree.

I think some credentialed actuaries would be really upset if this gets approved. Keep in mind that preliminary exams plus FAP modules give you ASA. FAP is a piece of cake considering its high passing rate. It is likely that students attending those 25 accredited universities would complete preliminary exams during their undergraduate studies. What the proposal does is to shorten the time to ASA and to produce a large number of ASAs with minimum actuarial work experience, therefore devalue the credentials of ASA.
可能是国外跟国内情况不同吧,我认识的国内考生一般本科毕业前都能考完preliminary exams,以前四门的时候一般用两个考试季(一年)时间就够了,现在变成了五门,不知道是否会增加一些时间.对国内考生来说,最大的问题不是语言,不是数学难度,而是经费问题,很多考生考到FAP前就停了下来原因是因为FAP的考试费是一个巨大的负担.
所以从这一点来看,对国内考生来说,preliminary exams本来就是小菜一碟,如果以后能通过课程认证,在不额外收认证费的前提下,应该是个好消息,就算国内没有这种认证,要考过也是挺轻松的,这个新政策也没什么大影响.

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lzw123ccc 发表于 2009-8-18 20:39:13
killer1832 发表于 2009-8-18 18:14
HW_Consultant 发表于 2009-8-18 11:17
I disagree.

I think some credentialed actuaries would be really upset if this gets approved. Keep in mind that preliminary exams plus FAP modules give you ASA. FAP is a piece of cake considering its high passing rate. It is likely that students attending those 25 accredited universities would complete preliminary exams during their undergraduate studies. What the proposal does is to shorten the time to ASA and to produce a large number of ASAs with minimum actuarial work experience, therefore devalue the credentials of ASA.
可能是国外跟国内情况不同吧,我认识的国内考生一般本科毕业前都能考完preliminary exams,以前四门的时候一般用两个考试季(一年)时间就够了,现在变成了五门,不知道是否会增加一些时间.对国内考生来说,最大的问题不是语言,不是数学难度,而是经费问题,很多考生考到FAP前就停了下来原因是因为FAP的考试费是一个巨大的负担.
所以从这一点来看,对国内考生来说,preliminary exams本来就是小菜一碟,如果以后能通过课程认证,在不额外收认证费的前提下,应该是个好消息,就算国内没有这种认证,要考过也是挺轻松的,这个新政策也没什么大影响.
在国内,的确前四门一般考下来也不难,抵免就抵免吧,我怀疑要修完国外的那些课程花的精力和时间远超过初级考试

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TorresNeo 发表于 2009-8-18 20:44:58
恩恩 国内考完preliminary exams也就是一年时间
国外的要抵免的 不会和VEE重叠吧 那才是真的悲剧~~

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HW_Consultant 发表于 2009-8-19 03:56:58
12# lzw123ccc

If most of you pass all the preliminary exams by the time you graduate from college, then I agree that this proposal would have minimum impact. But then passing the exams is not fun anymore if most people can do it in such a short time.

Stil, if students from the top 25 Chinese universities automatically receive credits for the preliminary exams, there would be a large number of near ASAs enter the job market every year. You really have to find other ways to stand out to land a job.

I think most U.S. undergraduates would not pass all the preliminary exams by the time they graduate. Some hardworking students may but the majority of them may not. So the proposal could have significant consequences in the U.S..

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HW_Consultant 发表于 2009-8-20 04:40:43
Georgia State Professor Robert W. Batten's response to the FEM proposal (http://www.actuarialoutpost.com/ ... hp?t=172628&page=2)

"In the days since the proposal was made public, I have been profoundlyimpressed by the arguments made, mostly by the younger members (andhence the true lifeblood) of our profession. Overwhelmingly, they havebeen at once outraged and appalled while, in the preponderance ofcases, also being professional and courteous. This, in itself, shouldgive all of us optimism about the caliber of the young men and womenwho will lead the Society of Actuaries into the next few decades. I seeno reason for me to parrot their arguments, virtually all of which I amin agreement with.

I have had the privilege of teaching thousands of young people over thelast 40+ years who were striving to be actuaries. I feel that my rolewas to prepare them, to the best of my ability, for success on theirprofessional exams and for their long-term contributions to theactuarial profession. Yet I never wanted to "play God" and to have anyrole in deciding whether a student would be given credit for anactuarial exam on the basis of a grade I might give in an academiccourse. That, I have always felt, is the responsibility---and theduty---of the actuarial societies through the exam process. I feel thatmy standards as a professor at Georgia State were very rigorous, and astudent who earned an A was totally deserving of that grade. But I alsofelt that my opinion of such a student's achievements in class shouldnot have served as a substitute for a rigorously administered actuarialexam.

In seminar teaching, I have encountered many students with degrees (andgood grades)from prestigious institutions with well-recognized programsof actuarial education who would have had virtually no chance at examsuccess without substantial additional study. Those students, whosubsequently paid the steep price of many hours of further study andultimately passed the exam, are surely more valuable to theirprofession than if they had been given credit because of a gradereceived in a college or university setting.

A couple of decades ago, there was a similar proposal for collegecredit on actuarial exams which went under the name of the AlternateRoute. It was strongly backed by some of the most prestigious membersof the profession and by what seemed to be a large majority ofacademics. At that time, being the director of a large and successfulacademic program, I could see possible advantages of such a proposal toGeorgia State University. Yet I vehemently opposed it for the reasonsmentioned above, incurring the displeasure of some other academics andBoard members. Fortunately, it died a slow and grudging death, becausethe rank-and-file of the membership also was strongly opposed.

The current proposal, as many have noted, was made public with verylittle response time available to the various constituencies of theprofessional societies. It also seems to be favored by many Boardmembers as well as (I assume) a large number of academics. It is myhope that this will only generate a larger number of comments and thatthe governing bodies will be responsive to what I believe will prove tobe a largely negative reaction.

In my mind, it all comes down to this. Would such a change inqualification for actuarial designations benefit anyone? Probably yes,including some faculty at large in successful academic programs andperhaps some individuals who truly believe that positive academicresults are equivalent to true mastery of course materials. But,certainly most importantly, would it benefit our profession, either inthe short or long run? I have not read a single comment which convincesme that it would."

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HW_Consultant 发表于 2009-8-20 04:45:55

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yopete 发表于 2009-8-20 06:26:24
个人认为这不是什么新鲜的事情,曲线救国之路早已有之。在英国读书可以通过修课程得到IOA考试的抵免,SOA和IOA的考试也是有转换关系的,而且基本上就像SOA抵中精一样方便 :)

此本人道听途说所得,未经求证,还盼高人批评。

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hithit168 发表于 2009-9-5 20:22:01
this is unfair

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HW_Consultant 发表于 2009-10-26 22:43:24
This is off the table for now.

"The (SOA) Board acknowledged the significant concerns raised by themembership and their employers regarding the Future Education Methods(FEM) concept and has agreed not to proceed with the concept in itscurrent form."

http://www.soa.org/news-and-publications/newsroom/press-releases/2009-10-25-board-announcement.aspx

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lonlyman0813 发表于 2009-10-27 13:33:14
God bless me~hope this proposal not pass

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