资本家的工作是配置资源和创新

sdhb 发表于 2019-1-10 09:58
Entrepreneurs:
some people are singled out because they are the innovators responsible for much o ...

这是在说企业家。
他提供的生产要素是企业家才能（创新），对应的报酬是利润（扣除融资成本或者说利息）。

比如说，甲以10%利率向乙借了1000万，创办一个生产新产品的企业。
那么，甲就是企业家，乙是资本家。
两者的区分是泾渭分明的，你想浑水摸鱼指鹿为马是徒增笑料！

天知地知 发表于 2019-1-10 10:07
这是在说企业家。
他提供的生产要素是企业家才能（创新），对应的报酬是利润（扣除融资成本或者说利息） ...

请看160楼。

sdhb 发表于 2019-1-10 10:24
请看160楼。

看了呀，没啥新鲜的呀。
钱可以买物，两者是互换的关系。
借1000万，跟借1000万的生产资料，那是一回事，没啥区别。

也就是说，1000万或者1000万的生产资料，都可以说是乙借给甲的。
甲利用借来的钱或物组织生产新产品，企图赚钱，这就是企业家。

你要是拘泥于此，我的例子可以改为：
甲以10%利率向乙借了作价1000万的生产资料，创办一个生产新产品的企业。
那么，甲就是企业家，乙是资本家。
哈哈，没有一毛钱区别！打跑小哥的脑子就是僵化的！不知变通！

天知地知 发表于 2019-1-10 10:31
看了呀，没啥新鲜的呀。
钱可以买物，两者是互换的关系。
借1000万，跟借1000万的生产资料，那是一回事 ...

钱是要有人冒风险去投的。投错了钱就没了。
你仔细看看entrepreneur那一段。 entrepreneur是追求利润的冒险家。这就是entrepreneur的本质。
以前讲上海解放前是冒险家的乐园，好像这是一件坏事。这不是坏事，这说明那时的上海的经济是生机勃勃的市场经济，所以才成为那时远东的经济中心，那时的香港是个2线城市。后来，上海不是冒险家的乐园了，香港成了冒险家的乐园了。结果大家都看见。

sdhb 发表于 2019-1-10 10:36
钱是要有人冒风险去投的。投错了钱就没了。
你仔细看看entrepreneur那一段。 entrepreneur是追求利润的冒 ...

你仔细看看entrepreneur那一段。 entrepreneur是追求利润的冒险家。这就是entrepreneur的本质。
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可以呀，我就是按你的要求来的呀：
我的例子里的企业家甲就是如此啊，他要是搞砸了，就得背负1000万的债务，要是搞好了，就可能大赚一笔，这不是冒险家是什么？

天知地知 发表于 2019-1-10 10:39
你仔细看看entrepreneur那一段。 entrepreneur是追求利润的冒险家。这就是entrepreneur的本质。
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明天再说了，我要做事了。

sdhb 发表于 2019-1-10 10:36
钱是要有人冒风险去投的。投错了钱就没了。
你仔细看看entrepreneur那一段。 entrepreneur是追求利润的冒 ...

搞搞清楚吧，西经的基本常识，四个要素及其报酬：

劳动者——劳动——工资
地主——土地——地租
资本家——资本——利息
企业家——企业家才能——利润。

sdhb 发表于 2019-1-10 10:41
明天再说了，我要做事了。

赶紧去翻墙搜索吧，老板等着要文件呢。

天知地知 发表于 2019-1-10 10:45
搞搞清楚吧，西经的基本常识，四个要素及其报酬：

劳动者——劳动——工资

The factors of production are resources that are the building blocks of the economy; they are what people use to produce goods and services. Economists divide the factors of production into four categories: land, labor, capital, and entrepreneurship.

The first factor of production is land, but this includes any natural resource used to produce goods and services. This includes not just land, but anything that comes from the land. Some common land or natural resources are water, oil, copper, natural gas, coal, and forests. Land resources are the raw materials in the production process. These resources can be renewable, such as forests, or nonrenewable such as oil or natural gas. The income that resource owners earn in return for land resources is called rent.

The second factor of production is labor. Labor is the effort that people contribute to the production of goods and services. Labor resources include the work done by the waiter who brings your food at a local restaurant as well as the engineer who designed the bus that transports you to school. It includes an artist's creation of a painting as well as the work of the pilot flying the airplane overhead. If you have ever been paid for a job, you have contributed labor resources to the production of goods or services. The income earned by labor resources is called wages and is the largest source of income for most people.

The third factor of production is capital. Think of capital as the machinery, tools and buildings humans use to produce goods and services. Some common examples of capital include hammers, forklifts, conveyer belts, computers, and delivery vans. Capital differs based on the worker and the type of work being done. For example, a doctor may use a stethoscope and an examination room to provide medical services. Your teacher may use textbooks, desks, and a whiteboard to produce education services. The income earned by owners of capital resources is interest.

The fourth factor of production is entrepreneurship. An entrepreneur is a person who combines the other factors of production - land, labor, and capital - to earn a profit. The most successful entrepreneurs are innovators who find new ways produce goods and services or who develop new goods and services to bring to market. Without the entrepreneur combining land, labor, and capital in new ways, many of the innovations we see around us would not exist. Think of the entrepreneurship of Henry Ford or Bill Gates. Entrepreneurs are a vital engine of economic growth helping to build some of the largest firms in the world as well as some of the small businesses in your neighborhood. Entrepreneurs thrive in economies where they have the freedom to start businesses and buy resources freely. The payment to entrepreneurship is profit.

You will notice that I did not include money as a factor of production. You might ask, isn't money a type of capital? Money is not capital as economists define capital because it is not a productive resource. While money can be used to buy capital, it is the capital good (things such as machinery and tools) that is used to produce goods and services. When was the last time you saw a carpenter pounding a nail with a five dollar bill or a warehouse foreman lifting a pallet with a 20 dollar bill? Money merely facilitates trade, but it is not in itself a productive resource.

Remember, goods and services are scarce because the factors of production used to produce them are scarce. In case you have forgotten, scarcity is described as limited quantities of resources to meet unlimited wants. Consider a pair of denim blue jeans. The denim is made of cotton, grown on the land. The land and water used to grow the cotton is limited and could have been used to grow a variety of different crops. The workers who cut and sewed the denim in the factory are limited labor resources who could have been producing other goods or services in the economy. The machines and the factory used to produce the jeans are limited capital resources that could have been used to produce other goods. This scarcity of resources means that producing some goods and services leaves other goods and services unproduced.

https://www.stlouisfed.org/educa ... ctors-of-production

天知地知 发表于 2019-1-10 10:45
搞搞清楚吧，西经的基本常识，四个要素及其报酬：

劳动者——劳动——工资

你真是笨蛋。小农脑袋真是麻烦。
资本指的是生产资料（物质），是entrepreneur 花钱买来的。资本家是entrepreneur 。entrepreneur是追求利润的冒险家。这是资本家的本质属性，资本家是付利息给银行的的。 这么清楚了，还要搞？ entrepreneur开公司问银行借钱，银行收利息，银行剥削。你看一轮轮的融资，大家都是用钱入股的。没人借钱收利息的，这样变傻瓜了，不是投资了。
钱本身不是生产要素。
这是个权威的网站上讲的。 美联储St.Louis 分行。
https://www.stlouisfed.org/educa ... ctors-of-production
“Entrepreneurs thrive in economies where they have the freedom to start businesses and buy resources freely.” 看见entrepreneurship buy resources freely 了吗？