clm0600 发表于 2023-5-24 11:01 
““前面我们已经假定劳动力是按照它的价值买卖的。”你弄的这段有前置假设，眼又瞎了是吧？”——基督男 ...
在定义“必要劳动时间”这段时出现过四个portion of the labour(labour-process、day's labour）、,前三个portion of the labour全是在生产the value of his labour-power、the value of the necessaries that he daily requires，然后当第四个被老马称为necessary labour-time 的portion of the labour expended during that time 出现，小六子宣称这就变成可能不是在生产劳动力价值或必须生活资料价值的portion of the labour了。更何况老马最后还解释为何称其"necessary"，那是因为on the continued existence of the labourer depends their existence also
见过蠢的没见过像小六子这么蠢的。
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We have seen that the labourer, during one
portion of the labour-process, produces only the value of his labour-power, that is, the value of his means of subsistence. Now since his work forms part of a system,based on the social division of labour, he does not directly produce the actual necessaries which he himself consumes; he produces instead a particular commodity, yarn for example, whose value is equal to the value of those necessaries or of the money with which they can be bought. The
portion of his day's labour devoted to this purpose, will be greater or less, in proportion to the value of the necessaries that he daily requires on an average, or, what amounts to the same thing, in proportion to the labour-time required on an average to produce them. If the value of those necessaries represent on an average the expenditure of six hours' labour, the workman must on an average work for six hours to produce that value. If instead of working for the capitalist, he worked independently on his own account, he would,other things being equal, still be obliged to labour for the same number of hours, in order to produce the value of his labour-power, and thereby to gain the means of subsistence necessary for his conservation or continued reproduction. But as we have seen, during that
portion of his day's labour in which he produces the value of his labour-power, say three shillings, he produces only an equivalent for the value of his labour-power already advanced [4] by the capitalist; the new value created only replaces the variable capital advanced. It is owing to this fact, that the production of the new value of three shillings takes the semblance of a mere reproduction. That
portion of the working-day, then, during which this reproduction takes place, I call "necessary" labour-time, and the labour expended during that time I call "necessary"labour [5] Necessary, as regards the labourer, because independent of the particular social form of hislabour; necessary, as regards capital, and the world of capitalists, because on the continued existence of the labourer depends their existence also
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