请he-zr为中国开疆辟土

殖民者来到以后，印第安部落最重要的事情不是种地而是打猎，只要打猎有了珍贵的皮毛，就可以拿去和商队换火木仓，只有换到足够的火木仓和弹药，才有能力保护住自己的土地，否则连土地都没了，连人都被火木仓崩了，还种个什么地呢

xiaosyu 发表于 2017-12-5 00:01
因为殖民者有火木仓  火木仓都打死了，什么定居什么耕种什么部落之间的土地协议都是个P了

而且殖 ...

那是，纠纷发展到兵戎相见，最后只能由先进武器决定胜负。

只要“为虎作伥”，顽抗到底，最后被“赶尽杀绝”，那也是咎由自取。

he_zr 发表于 2017-12-4 23:43
迁徙是猴年马月的事了？这里说的是什么历史时代？你这不是时空错乱是什么？

再说，迁徙多半是生活所迫 ...

第一，不管什么时候发现的，只要你继续使用，就有优先的支配权和使用权，任何人不能侵犯。即便你闲置着，别人也要支付你付出于其上的劳动才能获得支配和使用权，而绝不能从你的手里抢走，更不能把你杀死而占有你的土地。否则就是强盗。

第二，是不是发现与目的无关，难道只有为了寻找黄金的发现才是发现吗？难道只有为了抢夺异教徒土地的发现才是发现吗？何况西方殖民者抢夺的是印第安人已经在上面生活、劳动的土地，包括大量的印第安人建立的村庄、城市、农耕的田地，凭什么说这不是有主的土地？按照你的逻辑，勘探队发现了矿藏，只要还未采掘，任何人都可以来抢夺，对不对？按照你的逻辑，你只要没有在你家里进行开垦或采掘，那么你家的地就是无主之地，别人就可以来占有，对不对？你这个强盗！

he_zr 发表于 2017-12-4 23:22
承认矿石是产品或劳动产物就好，至于你什么“矿床”，那是你的规定，矿床只要是物质原子构成，那就是矿物 ...

挖出来的矿石是你的，矿床不是你的，谁挖就是谁的。
如果你不想挖了，而是要去干别的，那么接下来换了另一个人挖，挖出来的矿石跟你就没关系了。
当然，如果你遗留了其他挖矿设施，那么这些设施可以作价转让。

你还知道南极种不了庄稼呀，那你知道印第安人的不少领地也不适合种庄稼吗？你知道白人赶走印第安人之后，也是当了牛仔吗？

你主张资源“公有”，那么你应该劝中国把资源退归全球人，以实现你的“公有”主张才对呀，你怎么还挑拨谁谁谁去为中国什么“开辟”和抢占疆土资源，你这不是表里不一，口是心非了吗？
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开疆辟土，不是我的主张。我也不会劝除了你之外的其他人开疆辟土。
但我让你通过耕种开疆辟土，是因为那是你的主张，你自己的主张，你首先得愿意执行把？我不同意你的观点，但我可以说：“你说这样开疆辟土是地球法则，那你去开一个给大家看看啊”。
这就好比，你说屎好吃，我不同意这一点，但我却可以说“你说屎好吃，那你就去吃啊”，你不吃，那就说明你撒谎了。现在看来，你真的不肯吃，那你以后就不要到处宣扬“屎好吃”了。
别人没说屎好吃，我当然不会劝他们吃屎。

he_zr 发表于 2017-12-4 23:27
你没明说，但你承认人都是靠比拳头来占有，还为你祖上庆幸打赢，这已经足够了。

我承认大家都比拳头，也不等于说比拳头就一定是强盗啊。
把比拳头和强盗划等号的是你，你不要嫁祸给我。

wzwswswz 发表于 2017-12-5 08:22
第一，不管什么时候发现的，只要你继续使用，就有优先的支配权和使用权，任何人不能侵犯。即便你闲置着， ...

你什么都不管，所以才在胡言乱语，此外还说明什么？其余的东西，都是你“不管”的产物，不值一驳。

clm0600 发表于 2017-12-5 08:44
挖出来的矿石是你的，矿床不是你的，谁挖就是谁的。
如果你不想挖了，而是要去干别的，那么接下来换了另 ...

那你也别假惺惺的在搞什么“劝开辟”了，违背自己主张的事不知有多难过，死多少细胞啊。

你还是先打住，别一而再再而三的在混淆概念，耕种可不是开垦，如果这么简单的概念你都区别不了，该回家去连续吃屎三天，闭门思过。如果屎的味道不错，到时先给大家谈谈这个体会也行。

clm0600 发表于 2017-12-5 08:46
我承认大家都比拳头，也不等于说比拳头就一定是强盗啊。
把比拳头和强盗划等号的是你，你不要嫁祸给我。

你可不是仅仅承认大家都比拳头，而称这是大家唯一解决问题的方式，为此你还庆幸你祖上拳头大把人家打输了，是不是呀？在地球上，比拳头解决问题就属于强盗方式，划等号是必然的，强盗这一角色名副其实，哪来什么“嫁祸”？你一个脓包既然敢放言，又不敢认，你这个强盗后裔比你祖上可谓是一代不如一代啊。

he_zr 发表于 2017-12-5 22:54
你什么都不管，所以才在胡言乱语，此外还说明什么？其余的东西，都是你“不管”的产物，不值一驳。

你才是胡说八道呢！你说的话哪有事实根据？你拿的出来吗？
我再给你看一个证据，你敢反驳吗？你反驳得了吗？



上面是美国历史学家艾伦·布林克利《美国史》中的插图。

这幅插图清楚地描绘了当时北美印第安人的分布与生存基础。其中大部分地区都有印第安人的分布，而南部大片的绿色地带都是印第安人进行农耕的区域，从而证明你的“印第安人极力反对农耕”就是你编造的谎言，证明你的“美洲土地都是无主的”也是你对历史的歪曲，证明你的“印第安人跟动物没多大区别”就是在颠倒黑白。

he_zr 发表于 2017-12-5 23:09
那你也别假惺惺的在搞什么“劝开辟”了，违背自己主张的事不知有多难过，死多少细胞啊。

你还是先打住 ...

  垦荒是开辟新的耕地，问题是印第安人已经吃得很好了，为什么要费力去种植更多的地？他们部落没有那么多的人口和劳动力，拿什么去开垦和种植？当然殖民者有劳动力，他们掠夺黑奴将其奴役致死。

很多耕种部落明显已经粮食实现了自给自足，还可以拿去和渔猎部落交换肉类食物，说明他们的农业耕种技术是很发达的，而且还被农业部赞扬为是环保生态农业，懂得如何享受大自然的馈赠又保持了自然生态环境的平衡。

美洲大陆自然资源的富庶是一度超乎想象的富足，印第安人享有的食物资源在今天看来也是很好的，很多食物现代人都已经吃不到，或者很贵的。 野生三文鱼、枫糖、香草（这个蛮贵的），牛油果、巧克力、牛肉干、鹿肉、水牛肉、狼肉、各种野生小动物的肉，火鸡

三文鱼

左边挂的应该是两头狼皮吧，就是这漂亮的皮毛



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Native American Food Fact 1: Protein food such as meat and fish were obtained by the men of the tribes by hunting, trapping and fishing. It was the responsibility of the women to prepare and cook the foods



Native American Food Fact 2: The women and also the children were generally responsible for collecting the nuts, berries, roots, wild vegetables, tubers, greens, fruits and seeds that contributed to the diets of the tribes

Native American Food Fact 3: Many foods were introduced to the early colonists and settlers and continue to make a significant contribution  to the food eaten today. These foods include Avocado, Beans, Chocolate (Cacao), Corn, Cranberries, Jerky, Maple sugar and syrup, Melons, Peanuts, Pemmican, Peppers, Pineapples, Popcorn, Potatoes (white and sweet), Pumpkins, Squash, Sunflower seeds, Tapioca (Manioc), Tomatoes, Turkeys, Vanilla and Wild rice

Native American Food Fact 4:  Great Plains tribes such as the Sioux and the Cheyenne hunted animals such as buffalo, bear, deer, elk, and wild turkey. These were supplemented with wild vegetables and roots such as spinach, prairie turnips and potatoes and often flavored with wild herbs

Native American Food Fact 5: When foods was scarce the tribes of the Great Plains ate dried buffalo meat, called pemmican.

Native American Food Fact 6: The staple food of the tribes of the Great Basin, such as the Bannock and the Paiute,  were the nutritious seeds of Indian rice grass. The tribes also fished and hunted, especially for migratory ducks

Native American Food Fact 7: Many Californian tribes such as the Chumash and the Maidu included a staple diet of acorns. The acorns were roasted, eaten whole or ground into acorn meal which was used to make bread. Coastal and river tribes ate a variety of fish and shellfish including salmon, eels, trout, clams and crabs.

Native American Food Fact 8: The Northwest Pacific Coast Indian Tribes, including the Chinook and the Tlingit, ate large amounts of fish, especially salmon that was supplemented by wapato (Indian Potato) greens, berries and seeds The tribes also pressed the rich oil from the eulachon (candlefish) to use as a dip for their food

Native American Food Fact 9: The Plateau Indian Indian Tribes, including the Modoc, ate fish, small game and waterfowl. The seeds of the water lily, called 'wocas', were ground into flour in mortars and made into bread



Native American Food Fact 10: The tribes who inhabited the Northeast Woodlands, such as the Abenaki and the Mohawks,  raised the  "three sisters" crops of corn, beans and squash together with sunflowers, the seeds of which were crushed for their oil. Their food was prepared in different ways and included soups, stews and cornbread

Native American Indian Food Fact Sheet for kids

Native American Food Fact 11: The Southeast Indian Tribes including the Cherokee prepared staple foods of corn, squash and beans supplemented with wild onions, rice, greens mushrooms, berries and nuts. The Seminoles of Florida hunted wild turkeys, rabbits, deer (venison), fish, turtles, and alligators

Native American Food Fact 12: The Artic Indian Tribes like the Aleut and the Inuit, ate fish products and shellfish that were supplemented by the meat obtained from sea animals such as the whale, seal, sea lions and walrus

Native American Food Fact 13: The Southwest Indian Indian Tribes, like the Hopi and the Pueblo, produced crops of corn, beans, sunflower seeds, squash, and melons and raised goats and sheep

Native American Food Fact 14: Southwest tribes traded salt that came from eastern New Mexico and from the salt lakes near Laguna and Zuni

Native American Food Fact 15: Wild Vegetables included Onions, Mushrooms, Potatoes, Carrots, Celery, Spinach, Garlic, Turnips and different types of Salad Greens

Native American Food Fact 16: Grains and Nuts included Acorns, Wild Rice, Sunflower Seeds, Piñon Nuts, Pecans, Mesquite Beans, Amaranth and Quinoa

Native American Food Fact 17: Fruits and Berries included Wild Strawberries, Blackberries, Huckleberries, Blueberries, Raspberries, Chokecherry, Wild Cherries, Grapes, Melons, Pumpkins, Saguaro Cactus Fruits, Banana Yucca Fruits and Avocados



Native American Food Fact 18: Domesticated Crops included Corn, Beans, Squash, Peppers, Tomatoes, Potatoes and Cassava

Native American Food Fact 19: Baking was done in holes in the ground, and water was boiled by throwing heated stones into it

Native American Food Fact 20: With the use of grinding stones, seeds, nuts, and corn were ground into flour to make bread