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The Three Principles of the People, also translated as Three People's Principles, or collectively San-min Doctrine, is a political philosophy developed by Sun Yat-sen as part of a philosophy to make China a free, prosperous, and powerful nation. Its legacy of implementation is most apparent in the governmental organization of the Republic of China (ROC), which currently administers Taiwan, Penghu, Quemoy, and Matsu Islands. This philosophy has been claimed as the cornerstone of the Republic of China's policy as carried by the Kuomintang (KMT). The principles also appear in the first line of the National Anthem of the Republic of China. The three principles are often translated and summarized as nationalism, democracy, and the livelihood of the people.

Mínzú
The Principle of Mínzú  is commonly rendered as "nationalism", literally "Populism" or "the People's rule/government", "Mínzú/People" clearly describing a nation rather than a group of persons united by a purpose, hence the commonly used and rather accurate translation "nationalism". By this, Sun meant freedom from imperialist domination. To achieve this he believed that China must develop a "China-nationalism," Zhonghua Minzu, as opposed to an "ethnic-nationalism," so as to unite all of the different ethnicities of China, mainly composed by the five major groups of Han, Mongols, Tibetans, Manchus, and the Muslims (such as the Uyghurs), which together are symbolized by the Five Color Flag of the First Republic (1911–1928). This sense of nationalism is different from the idea of "ethnocentrism," which equates to the same meaning of nationalism in Chinese language. To achieve this he believed that China must develop a "national consciousness" so as to unite the Han in the face of imperialist aggression. He argued that "minzu", which can be translated as "people", "nationality" or "race", were defined by sharing common blood, livelihood, religion, language and customs.

Mínquán
The Principle of Mínquán  is usually translated as "democracy"; literally "the People's power" or "government by the People." To Sun, it represented a Western constitutional government. He divided political life of his ideal for China into two sets of 'powers': the power of politics and the power of governance.
The power of politics  are the powers of the people to express their political wishes, similar to those vested in the citizenry or the parliaments in other countries, and is represented by the National Assembly. There are four of these powers: election, recall,initiative and referendum These may be equated to "civil rights".
The power of governance are the powers of administration. Here he expanded the European-American constitutional theory of a three-branch government and a system of checks and balances by incorporating traditional Chinese administrative tradition to create a government of five branches (each of which is called a Yuan (院, yuàn, literally "court"). The Legislative Yuan, the Executive Yuan, and the Judicial Yuan came from Montesquieuan thought; the Control Yuan and the Examination Yuan came from Chinese tradition. (Note that the Legislative Yuan was first intended as a branch of governance, not strictly equivalent to a national parliament.)

Mínshēng
The Principle of Mínshēng is sometimes translated as "the People's welfare/livelihood," "Government for the People". The concept may be understood as social welfare and as a direct criticism of the inadequacies of both socialism and capitalism. Here he was influenced by the American thinker Henry George (see Georgism); the land value tax in Taiwan is a legacy thereof. He divided livelihood into four areas: food, clothing, housing, and transportation; and planned out how an ideal (Chinese) government can take care of these for its people. Sun died before he was able to fully explain his vision of this Principle and it has been the subject of much debate within both the Chinese Nationalist and Communist Parties, with the latter suggesting that Sun supported socialism.
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loveorange 发表于 2013-1-13 22:47:38 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
渴望高端 发表于 2013-1-10 07:36
根据中国几千年来形成的民族秉性,我对中国短时间内有整体的民主意识持怀疑态度。所以现在最主要的不是离开 ...
建国没几天,民盟要求一定的权力被拒了。所以现在就这德行了。

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loveorange 发表于 2013-1-12 09:11:06 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
胡马依北风 发表于 2013-1-11 14:01
老孙在共运上的辈份其实是和列宁平辈子,KMT在辛亥革命以后已经转型成了共运组织,再深入观察,岳王会除了陈 ...
农民头子指???

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chyshl 发表于 2013-1-12 09:01:27 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
胡马依北风 发表于 2013-1-11 23:01
老孙在共运上的辈份其实是和列宁平辈子,KMT在辛亥革命以后已经转型成了共运组织,再深入观察,岳王会除了陈 ...
俺share your 观点。

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loveorange 发表于 2013-1-11 18:25:44 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
chyshl 发表于 2013-1-11 06:23
老蒋也有江湖气的,呵呵,据“我们”分析,都是因为他穷苦潦倒的时候借了黄金荣的钱染上的。对于知识分子 ...
老将杀的是左派,胡适这种智者走中庸之道。

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chyshl 发表于 2013-1-11 15:23:10 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
loveorange 发表于 2013-1-11 08:12
老蒋也分人,胡适不去去台湾了。
老蒋也有江湖气的,呵呵,据“我们”分析,都是因为他穷苦潦倒的时候借了黄金荣的钱染上的。对于知识分子,老蒋的红线很清楚,有几个知识分子是被老蒋害的家破人亡的?哪怕我发狠杀了你,也事不及妻儿,不容易哟。

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loveorange 发表于 2013-1-11 08:12:04 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
chyshl 发表于 2013-1-10 06:08
老蒋不光没搞学者垄断知识,对学者反而是礼遇有加,就是那些骂他的,也只是吓唬吓唬赶跑了事。闻一多?咱 ...
老蒋也分人,胡适不去去台湾了。

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loveorange 发表于 2013-1-11 08:11:08 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
chyshl 发表于 2013-1-10 06:05
同意。不过,靠中国人自己?严重怀疑。
西方民主有很多值得借鉴的内容。钱穆100年前就说中国的民主将建立在长期的取其精华,去其糟粕的过程中,是混合体。

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loveorange 发表于 2013-1-11 08:08:52 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
arasti 发表于 2013-1-10 09:01
你没有看到我们的学者在做什么吗?
他们会批评政府,以人民为借口,批评辱骂政府,除了老生常谈的那些简 ...
我说的是孙中山本人的思想,跟别人有什么关系?我发的只是三民的概念,或者你并没有看文字。

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zhukovasky 发表于 2013-1-10 21:44:58 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
经常听讲座。说道revolution。
当年黄兴和孙俩人关于revolution争论,孙认为一定要进行国民revolution,而黄则说revolution不能进行到人。
按照俩人的思路,孙不会百分之百进行demo,反而走上了俄国之路。黄则颇有constitution的味道。
za rujina!

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