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The Three Principles of the People, also translated as Three People's Principles, or collectively San-min Doctrine, is a political philosophy developed by Sun Yat-sen as part of a philosophy to make China a free, prosperous, and powerful nation. Its legacy of implementation is most apparent in the governmental organization of the Republic of China (ROC), which currently administers Taiwan, Penghu, Quemoy, and Matsu Islands. This philosophy has been claimed as the cornerstone of the Republic of China's policy as carried by the Kuomintang (KMT). The principles also appear in the first line of the National Anthem of the Republic of China. The three principles are often translated and summarized as nationalism, democracy, and the livelihood of the people.

Mínzú
The Principle of Mínzú  is commonly rendered as "nationalism", literally "Populism" or "the People's rule/government", "Mínzú/People" clearly describing a nation rather than a group of persons united by a purpose, hence the commonly used and rather accurate translation "nationalism". By this, Sun meant freedom from imperialist domination. To achieve this he believed that China must develop a "China-nationalism," Zhonghua Minzu, as opposed to an "ethnic-nationalism," so as to unite all of the different ethnicities of China, mainly composed by the five major groups of Han, Mongols, Tibetans, Manchus, and the Muslims (such as the Uyghurs), which together are symbolized by the Five Color Flag of the First Republic (1911–1928). This sense of nationalism is different from the idea of "ethnocentrism," which equates to the same meaning of nationalism in Chinese language. To achieve this he believed that China must develop a "national consciousness" so as to unite the Han in the face of imperialist aggression. He argued that "minzu", which can be translated as "people", "nationality" or "race", were defined by sharing common blood, livelihood, religion, language and customs.

Mínquán
The Principle of Mínquán  is usually translated as "democracy"; literally "the People's power" or "government by the People." To Sun, it represented a Western constitutional government. He divided political life of his ideal for China into two sets of 'powers': the power of politics and the power of governance.
The power of politics  are the powers of the people to express their political wishes, similar to those vested in the citizenry or the parliaments in other countries, and is represented by the National Assembly. There are four of these powers: election, recall,initiative and referendum These may be equated to "civil rights".
The power of governance are the powers of administration. Here he expanded the European-American constitutional theory of a three-branch government and a system of checks and balances by incorporating traditional Chinese administrative tradition to create a government of five branches (each of which is called a Yuan (院, yuàn, literally "court"). The Legislative Yuan, the Executive Yuan, and the Judicial Yuan came from Montesquieuan thought; the Control Yuan and the Examination Yuan came from Chinese tradition. (Note that the Legislative Yuan was first intended as a branch of governance, not strictly equivalent to a national parliament.)

Mínshēng
The Principle of Mínshēng is sometimes translated as "the People's welfare/livelihood," "Government for the People". The concept may be understood as social welfare and as a direct criticism of the inadequacies of both socialism and capitalism. Here he was influenced by the American thinker Henry George (see Georgism); the land value tax in Taiwan is a legacy thereof. He divided livelihood into four areas: food, clothing, housing, and transportation; and planned out how an ideal (Chinese) government can take care of these for its people. Sun died before he was able to fully explain his vision of this Principle and it has been the subject of much debate within both the Chinese Nationalist and Communist Parties, with the latter suggesting that Sun supported socialism.
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chyshl 发表于 2013-1-10 09:17:45 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
神州不可能有minzhu。民族本性,不可改变,就像你不会指望阿拉伯兄弟不打仗了一样。

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藤椅
loveorange 发表于 2013-1-10 11:33:21 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
clm0600 发表于 2013-1-10 01:18
老孙要是靠谱,就不会让党员对自己宣誓效忠了。

民主,不是谁给的,谁定的,而是来自民众内心的呼声。
没有完美的实物。相对。

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板凳
loveorange 发表于 2013-1-10 11:37:35 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
chyshl 发表于 2013-1-10 00:17
神州不可能有minzhu。民族本性,不可改变,就像你不会指望阿拉伯兄弟不打仗了一样。
老孙设计的政治路线图:“军政、训政、宪政”三部曲。现实他还是看得清楚的,所以饭要一口一口吃,路遥一步一步走。解决实际问题比空谈理论更有实际意义。

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arasti 发表于 2013-1-10 12:23:18 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
征服垄断信息
学者垄断知识
民众垄断无知和愚昧,民主个球!

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loveorange 发表于 2013-1-10 13:16:55 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
arasti 发表于 2013-1-10 03:23
征服垄断信息
学者垄断知识
民众垄断无知和愚昧,民主个球!
这可不是三民主义的理论啊。蒋介石也没搞学者垄断知识。你这理论源自于哪?

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chyshl 发表于 2013-1-10 15:05:24 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
loveorange 发表于 2013-1-10 11:37
老孙设计的政治路线图:“军政、训政、宪政”三部曲。现实他还是看得清楚的,所以饭要一口一口吃,路遥一 ...
同意。不过,靠中国人自己?严重怀疑。

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chyshl 发表于 2013-1-10 15:08:47 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
loveorange 发表于 2013-1-10 13:16
这可不是三民主义的理论啊。蒋介石也没搞学者垄断知识。你这理论源自于哪?
老蒋不光没搞学者垄断知识,对学者反而是礼遇有加,就是那些骂他的,也只是吓唬吓唬赶跑了事。闻一多?咱Dang说是老蒋杀的,可你去查查真相,老蒋杀的是杀闻一多的特务!

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虚数 发表于 2013-1-10 15:23:20 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
老孙有政治三步曲,老邓有经济三步曲。看来这三步舞还得跳呢。

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arasti 发表于 2013-1-10 18:01:59 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
loveorange 发表于 2013-1-10 13:16
这可不是三民主义的理论啊。蒋介石也没搞学者垄断知识。你这理论源自于哪?
你没有看到我们的学者在做什么吗?
他们会批评政府,以人民为借口,批评辱骂政府,除了老生常谈的那些简单的就像被语文标准答案一样的理由和说辞,什么也没有,当我们想知道如何解决的问题、如何做的时候,他们又像复读机一样说出“自由”“民主”四个字。
他们才不会告诉民众更具体的东西,更不会向民众讲理论性的东西。
他们引领民众向政府“要自由”“要权利”,知道为什么吗?
他们绝对不会让更广大的民众知道天赋人权、主权在民——这些东西只在知识精英阶层传颂,他们想要告诉民众权利和自由是政府给予的,现在的政府不能给你们自由和民主,就是坏的政府——这样不断的激化政府和民众的矛盾,总有一天,他们会成为风云际会的弄潮儿——让民众知道他们可以给人民自由和民主,最后还是他们主宰人民,哈,人民还是无知和愚蠢。
我更喜欢郎咸平,虽然他的观点很多错误,但是,他在分析政府的错误,告诉民众他们能理解的理论,还能讲解出怎样纠正错误。
无知的民众不会形成任何社会合理,更不可能理性的鞭策政府。
不要以为普通民众就只是关注自己生活的,不学无术,排斥知识的人!

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