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[创新发展] 劳动就是有价值,也不能证明马克思劳动价值论的正确 [推广有奖]

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1993110 发表于 2018-12-21 14:21:52
uandi 发表于 2018-12-21 08:47
就像饿了吃饭,老马就故意说成吃饭就不饿了。吃饭才会不饿。
马徒儿就像猴儿给耍一样,咧着嘴笑得很满足。 ...
因为他根本不是学者。
后世的耍猴者当然心领神会,偏偏也有一大帮猴儿们傻乎乎的听话,嘻嘻。
因为他根本不是学者。
后世的耍猴者当然心领神会,偏偏也有一大帮猴儿们傻乎乎的听话,嘻嘻。
因为他根本不是学者。
后世的耍猴者当然心领神会,偏偏也有一大帮猴儿们傻乎乎的听话,嘻嘻。

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民声123 发表于 2018-12-21 15:32:43
常有人给公仆送钱送物,为什么?

常有人给公仆送钱送物,为什么?常有人给公仆送钱送物,是这里的公仆都是有权的人,是某人进行权利交易的需要,权是有潜在的经济利益,有时权力在有的人那里,具有暴利性质。有的贪官大肆收贿,明显证明权是有潜在的经济利益的,有时权力在有的人那里,具有暴利性质。谁说不是的?
、、、、、、。

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孟子的学生 发表于 2018-12-21 15:49:15
民声123 发表于 2018-12-21 13:48
干部优胜劣汰,会“一年一个样、三年大变样”

(干部在前进的道路上优胜劣汰会"一年一个样、三年大变样" ...
你说梦话了吧!

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rrllqq 发表于 2018-12-21 21:54:29
孟子的学生 发表于 2018-12-19 16:21
马克思为什么要首先证明单个资本家必然剥削了他的雇工,这太正常了,你懂逻辑不?马克思说资本家剥削工人 ...
1、重新纠正一遍,马克思的思想是“资本”剥削工人,或者叫“资产阶级”剥削“无产阶级”。
2、你这个逻辑很奇葩,按你的逻辑:路德金证明奴隶主压迫奴隶,白人歧视黑人,就是全称判断,所以只要有一个白人比如林肯解放自己的奴隶,白人奴役黑人就不成立了?
3、如果你说的是“在资本主义体制下,每个资本家,每一单位的资本都参与对劳动的剥削,所有的资产阶级和资本制度都是有原罪的”,那么我承认这正是我和马克思的意思。——在资本主义体制下,没有不剥削的资本存在。就像你身为豺狼,就必须要吃羊要杀生一样,不然你就不是豺狼了。——这就是所谓马克思不要任何资本家个人为资本的原罪负责的原意了

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rrllqq 发表于 2018-12-21 22:08:24
孟子的学生 发表于 2018-12-19 16:14
1为什么私有财产神圣不可侵犯?因为资本主义的私有财产权本身就是抽象的,没有人可以侵犯,而现实中的私有 ...
你的财产每天被谁侵占?   
我的财产每天没有被通货膨胀,没有被全球的货币超发,没有被炒房炒股所侵占吗?
谁规定的如今存款利率进入所谓负利率时代的?我和全世界劳动者为自己准备的养老金,为何在全球都普遍面临着破产?

私有财产权是抽象的?什么狗屁话!你家被贼偷了,你再说是不是抽象的了!
我家的具体的财产,因为能被我感知,能被我的暴力和政治权益所覆盖,所以当然不是抽象的。——这是我的财产的具体性和感性,根本不是“所谓私有财产权”是具体和感性的。
——今天你能说清什么是你的私有财产吗?你存在银行的钱是什么?难道不是一种抽象的东东,一种欠债凭证,难道还是具体的财富的符号和代用卷不成??钱,一张资本开给你的欠条和支付承诺而已,真实的财富主要被资产阶级权贵该吃吃,该喝喝,全花光的情况下哪里来的不断迅速堆积的“抽象数字”??
     今天的法制能够保护什么?为什么增发货币,增发股票,信贷扩张成功的人被称为企业家,而失败的人只需要付有限责任?小偷和贪官窃据别人的财富超过百万就有杀身之祸,大资本银行家呢?为啥他们增发股票,只需要少量资金回购就可以卖空买空?因为资本和货币本质是抽象的,法律对这种抽象原则的保护总是面对现实的一次次二律背反。出笑话是必然的。——类似“对皇帝和王权讲法制”

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rrllqq 发表于 2018-12-21 22:12:02
hj58 发表于 2018-12-19 19:41
你都没有看我的书,怎么知道它“类似”什么?
就凭你支持本贴这样的胡说八道。就凭本帖这样的胡说八道我见得太多了,就凭这些胡说八道从根子上一模一样。

说一点你自觉“不类似”的东东呗,如果有一点新鲜的,我保证向你道歉!!

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rrllqq 发表于 2018-12-21 22:17:24
民声123 发表于 2018-12-21 13:52
优胜劣汰,是市场经济前进的动力,也是用人方式的动力。
《甄嬛传》中算不算优胜劣汰?纳粹的内部血腥杀戮算不算?看过《教父》吗?黑社会最优胜劣汰。
还有公平的赌城,没有地方的制度和规矩比那里更新更快,更有效率了。

不懂哈耶克,你不知道市场经济的伟大,不知道改造它的困难;不懂马克思,你不知道市场经济的无能和黑暗,不懂改造它的必要。两者都是对的,但马克思思想更深刻,没有社会主义实践,人类将没有未来。

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rrllqq 发表于 2018-12-21 22:25:19
sdhb 发表于 2018-12-21 07:14
我说的是按照西方经济学教科书上讲的来回答以下问题,以证明你看过几本原版的教科书,证明你是西经研究生 ...
你公布答案吧,我上个帖子已经承认了:对于西方经济学对这些问题应该怎么回答,我的答案和百度上查的没有区别。我只知道,熊彼特在《资本主义、社会主义和民主主义》中对企业家精神倒是有个定义,但似乎一不算教科书,二则我认定和百度中的解释也没有什么根本不同。

——你就直接说“哪本教科书”定义了“企业家”和“企业家”精神,这个定义如何超越了百度和我这个冒牌货好了。和我后面自己的解释相比,又高明在哪里。
   请认真回答哦,我洗耳恭听,只要你回答前面两个,我准备随时向你磕头请罪。

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rrllqq 发表于 2018-12-21 22:27:54
hj58 发表于 2018-12-19 19:41
马克思的逻辑就是这样的。

你不读书,自己整天瞎揣测。
有个人突然跳出来说自己证明了哥德巴赫猜想,或者推翻了相对论,你想:你不说出点道道来,我这个天天打假的方舟子,会看吗?

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sdhb 发表于 2018-12-21 23:16:29
rrllqq 发表于 2018-12-21 22:25
你公布答案吧,我上个帖子已经承认了:对于西方经济学对这些问题应该怎么回答,我的答案和百度上查的没有 ...
Most simply defined, an entrepreneur is a person who identifies a need and starts a business to fill that void. But this basic definition provides little insight into the specific character traits and attributes that make a person thrive as an entrepreneur.

Before quitting your day job to pursue that idea that's been brewing in the back of your mind, consider if you have the necessary constitution to make it as an entrepreneur. Here's what 20 company founders and business leaders told Business News Daily about what they think makes a truly successful entrepreneur.

1. "Entrepreneurship is at the core of the American dream. It's about blazing new trails, about believing in yourself, your mission and inspiring others to join you in the journey. What sets [entrepreneurs] apart is the will, courage and sometimes recklessness to actually do it." – Derek Hutson, CEO of Datical

2. "Entrepreneurship is the persistent progression towards an innovative solution to a key problem. It's the constant hunger for making things better and the idea that you are never satisfied with how things are." – Debbie Roxarzade, founder and CEO of Rachel's Kitchen

3. "At its core, [entrepreneurship] is a mindset – a way of thinking and acting. It is about imagining new ways to solve problems and create value. Fundamentally, entrepreneurship is about ... the ability to recognize [and] methodically analyze [an] opportunity, and ultimately, to capture [its] value." – Bruce Bachenheimer, clinical professor of management and executive director of the Entrepreneurship Lab at Pace University

4. "It is important to balance strong vision with a willingness to embrace change. The ability to listen, whether it be to the opinions of customers or employees, is also integral to success. While ... you must have the confidence to make your own choices, it is still incredibly important not to become detached from the people whose needs you are trying to meet. – Tirath Kamdar, founder and CEO of TrueFacet

5. "Being an entrepreneur is like heading out into uncharted territory. It's rarely obvious what to do next, and you have to rely on yourself a lot when you run into problems. There are many days when you feel like things will never work out and you're operating at a loss for endless months. You have to be able to stomach the roller coaster of emotions that comes with striking out on your own." – Amanda Austin, founder and president of  Little Shop of Miniatures

6. "To be a successful entrepreneur you must have a passion for learning – from customers, employees and even competitors." – James Bedal, CEO of Bare Metal Standard

7. "To me, entrepreneurship means being able to take action and having the courage to commit and persevere through all of the challenges and failures. It is a struggle that an entrepreneur is willing to battle. It is using past experiences and intelligence to make smart decisions. Entrepreneurs are able to transform their vision into a business. I believe this process is at the core of any true entrepreneur." – MJ Pedone, founder and CEO of Indra Public Relations

8. "Being a successful entrepreneur requires a great deal of resourcefulness, because as an entrepreneur, you often run into dead ends throughout the course of your career. You need to be able to bounce back from losses if you want to be successful. There will be much more disappointment than progress when you first start off, and you need to have a short memory in order to put the past behind you quickly. It's imperative to stay optimistic when bad things happen." – Vip Sandhir, founder and CEO of HighGround

9. "Entrepreneurship is the ability to recognize the bigger picture, find where there's an opportunity to make someone's life better, design hypotheses around these opportunities, and continually test your assumptions. It's experimentation: Some experiments will work; many others will fail. It is not big exits, huge net worth or living a life of glamour. It's hard work and persistence to leave the world a better place once your time here is done." – Konrad Billetz, co-founder and co-CEO of Offset Solar

10. "[Entrepreneurs] have to be people-oriented. Your business will die without a good team to back you up. Study management techniques, learn from great leaders, review where you're succeeding and failing so you can help others improve. An entrepreneur has to be able to build a team that cares about their work, and to do that you have to care about how you create your team." – Jonathan Barnett, founder and CEO of Oxi Fresh Carpet Cleaning

11. "To be a successful entrepreneur you need perseverance. Most successful business people or entrepreneurs have never given up on their idea. When challenges arise, they have found innovative ways of overcoming them. You must be able to adapt to changing economic conditions, and innovate and embrace technological advances to keep your customers engaged. These things take determination and a strong focus on the end goal." – Stacey Kehoe, founder of Brandlective Communications

12. "Entrepreneurship is the mindset that allows you to see opportunity everywhere. It could be a business idea, but it could also be seeing the possibilities in the people that can help you grow that business. This ability to see many options in every situation is critically important; there will be unending challenges that will test your hustle." – Preeti Sriratana, co-founder and COO of Sweeten

13. "Successful entrepreneurs ... have the guts to take a calculated risk and the tenacity and persistence to keep going even when there are bumps in the road."  – Eileen Huntington, co-founder and CEO of Huntington Learning Center

14. "Successful entrepreneurs look past [the] 'quick buck' and instead look at the bigger picture to ensure that each action made is going toward the overall goal of the business or concept, whether or not that means getting something in return at that moment." – Allen Dikker, founder and CEO of Potatopia

15. "Being an entrepreneur is ingrained in one's identity. [It] is the culmination of a certain set of characteristics: determination, creativity, the capacity to risk, leadership and enthusiasm." – Eric Lupton, president of Life Saver Pool Fence Systems

16. "Entrepreneurship is an unavoidable life calling pursued by those who are fortunate enough to take chances. [They are] optimistic enough to believe in themselves, aware enough to see problems around them, stubborn enough to keep going, and bold enough to act again and again. Entrepreneurship is not something you do because you have an idea. It's about having the creativity to question, the strength to believe and the courage to move." – Jordan Fliegel, co-CEO of DRAFT

17. "An entrepreneur must be able to accept failure. Everyone thinks they can accept failure until they come face to face with failing at a major thing that they have put their everything into. To be a successful entrepreneur, you have to be someone who is able to risk failure at the deepest personal levels." – Steven Benson, founder and CEO of Badger Maps

18. "The journey of entrepreneurship is a lifestyle for many of us; we are wired this way and have no choice. We are driven by an innate need to create, build and grow. You must have an underlying positivity that enables you to see beyond the day-to-day challenges and roadblocks, always moving forward. You must also be a master plate juggler, able to switch between thinking, genres and activities moment to moment." – Justine Smith, founder and CEO of Kids Go Co.

19. "Entrepreneurship is seeing an opportunity and gathering the resources to turn a possibility into a reality. It represents the freedom to envision something new and to make it happen. It includes risk, but it also includes the reward of creating a legacy." – Maia Haag, co-founder and president of I See Me! Personalized Books and Gifts

20. "One must possess grit. The stakes tend to be high, the bumps in the road frequent. Remaining focused, regardless of the obstacles, is paramount. That said, being an entrepreneur means being in full control of your destiny. If that's important to you, then all of the challenges associated with striking out on one's own are but a small price to pay." – Mike Malone, founder of Livestock Framing
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