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大是大非!曹国奇 价值观信仰之争都只是借口,真正争的都是经济利益? [推广有奖]

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jesusman 发表于 2022-10-23 15:12:41


法案是指有提案权的主体向有立法权的国家机关所提出的有关制定、修改和废止规范性法律文件的建议,包括法律案、行政法规案、地方性法规案、规章案等。关于美国各自治州的头皮赏金制度,称为法案没有不妥之处。
      While the Minnesota Legislature played no role in the creation of the bounty system, it did issue one reward of its own accord.As discussed in Part II.B above, the Lamsons had not received any monetary reward for killing Taoyateduta. Governor Swift believed this to be unjust, and in his annual message to the Minnesota Legislature in 1864, he called upon that body to rectify this situation. 230 On January 13, 1864, Governor Stephen Miller, in his inaugural address to the Minnesota Legislature, also made clear his belief that Nathan and Chauncey Lamson should be rewarded for their “meritorious service,” suggesting that “such provision be made for them, as may comport with the dignity of the State.” 231

     A bill was drafted almost immediately by Representative Henry Hill, 232 and it was read in the Minnesota House of Representatives for the first time on January 21, 1864. 233 As originally introduced, the bill would have authorized a $1500 payment to the Lamsons for killing Taoyateduta, of which $1000 was to go to Nathan Lamson and $500 to Chauncey Lamson. 234 The House, however, reduced the proposed payments to $500 and $300 respectively, 235 and with this alteration, the bill passed that chamber by a vote of twenty-four for and fourteen against. 236

233. See 1864 JOURNAL OF THE MINN. HOUSE, supra note 229, at 49; see also id., at 55, 59, 62 (tracking history of the bill from the Committee on Federal Relations to the Committee of the Whole).

234. H.F. 25, 6th Leg. (Minn. 1864).

235. Id. (markups directly on bill).

236. 1864 JOURNAL OF THE MINN. HOUSE, supra note 229, at 74–75.


上面大意就是印第安人Taoyateduta(正在森林里采浆果)被Lamsons夫妇干掉割了头皮来拿赏金,州议员Henry Hill起草了法案,最终在州众议院获得通过,不过奖励缩水成235刀奖给Lamsons夫妇。

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jesusman 发表于 2022-10-23 15:21:49
ynkylwj 发表于 2022-10-23 13:32
上述内容里明确了1862年明尼苏达州“剥一个Dakota(印第安人)头皮士兵奖25刀,一般人奖200刀”,类似的赏 ...
这样著名的法案怎么可能查不到,查不到的原因只有一种可能,根本不存在。=====================
查不到至少还有种可能:你水平的关系,怎么变成“只”有一种可能了

In 1864, John Goodwin, the federally appointed Territorial Governor of Arizona, successfully pushed the Arizona Legislature to pass a resolution endorsing the extermination of Apaches. KATHLEEN P. CHAMBERLAIN, VICTORIO:APACHE WARRIOR AND CHIEF 107 (2007). The legislature ultimately offered a “reward for every Apache brought in, dead or alive,” and the system was described as “the same sort of bounty that was used to be offered for wolf scalps.” Id.

1864年亚利桑那州议会也通过了州长提出的“头皮法案”

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ynkylwj 发表于 2022-10-23 22:33:18
jesusman 发表于 2022-10-23 15:21
这样著名的法案怎么可能查不到,查不到的原因只有一种可能,根本不存在。=====================
查不到至 ...
1864年亚利桑那州议会也通过了州长提出的“头皮法案”
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你这是维基百科查到的内容吗?你这些内容不就是你前面引用的那篇文章中后边没显示的内容吗?还想冒充维基百科?欺负老百姓不懂英文?

你引用的文章既不是著名学者,也不是权威文献,参考价值不高,你以为外国人写的文章都是真实可信的吗?而且文章中也没有“头皮法案”的提法,你把文章作者的原文都篡改了。你说说哪个词是“头皮法案”?

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jesusman 发表于 2022-10-24 17:42:34
ynkylwj 发表于 2022-10-23 22:33
1864年亚利桑那州议会也通过了州长提出的“头皮法案”
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难怪你整天这个不存在那个不存在,原来是英文差给你关键字  KATHLEEN P. CHAMBERLAIN, VICTORIO:APACHE WARRIOR AND CHIEF 107 (2007).你也看不懂不会查啊,行了一边娱乐去吧。 Screenshot_20221024_173827.jpg

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jesusman 发表于 2022-10-24 22:43:40
ynkylwj 发表于 2022-10-23 22:33
1864年亚利桑那州议会也通过了州长提出的“头皮法案”
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你引用的文章既不是著名学者,也不是权威文献,参考价值不高

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人家好歹是美国排名比较靠前的公立大学的历史系教授,再怎么样也总比你这整天只会说“wiki我查不到”的高人靠谱吧

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clm0600 发表于 2022-10-25 11:16:27
ynkylwj 发表于 2022-10-23 22:33
1864年亚利桑那州议会也通过了州长提出的“头皮法案”
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西方国家曾经大肆贩奴,贩毒,贩军火,不把其他人种当人看,这都是铁的事实,有什么可争论的呢?

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uvwx 发表于 2022-10-26 09:40:13
ynkylwj 发表于 2022-10-22 21:29
我说的是“你”,呵呵
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感谢先生的热情到来!

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uvwx 发表于 2022-10-26 09:40:34
jesusman 发表于 2022-10-23 12:20
你查不到等不等于说谎啊?
感谢先生的热情到来!

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uvwx 发表于 2022-10-26 10:05:04
曹国奇 发表于 2022-10-21 00:20
阁下的问题是在沿用经典理论思维方式,即信仰和主义。这本身就带上有色眼镜。我前贴回复中大意是说信仰和 ...
信仰和主义。这本身就带上有色眼镜
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正相反,本人是抛开了有色眼镜之后去理解人类社会的价值观,人类最大的信仰是上帝让你到来,在你到来和长大后,你可以努力求名求利,也可以自由自在中满足,去追求各式的自我和信仰,而后上帝都会宽容中让你回去,在这里让人类深层的价值观是从生命到宿命的变化,在个人的一生中存在的经济利益之争只是一个过渡而已,生不带来,死不带去,也由此产生的人类社会的剩余产品,产生了个人对剩余产品的保存需要分配需要各种需要之争,但个人最后却回归宿命,由生命回归宿命的价值观永恒主宰着人类和自然。

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ynkylwj 发表于 2022-10-26 17:35:24
clm0600 发表于 2022-10-25 11:16
西方国家曾经大肆贩奴,贩毒,贩军火,不把其他人种当人看,这都是铁的事实,有什么可争论的呢?
人家好歹是美国排名比较靠前的公立大学的历史系教授,再怎么样也总比你这整天只会说“wiki我查不到”的高人靠谱吧
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前面说过,就算这些行为都是事实,也是战争行为,而且那些命令都是非法的,你引用的文章中也说了,这些赏金制度违反了丑国宪法,最高法院最后也做出了纠正。丑国历史上确实犯过很多错误,独立很多年后都还保留着合法的黑奴制度等等。

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