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宏观经济学是彻头彻尾的伪科学 [推广有奖]

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maximum 发表于 2010-1-3 15:04:55 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
还是好好学习吧。根本不懂宏观经济学就不要先否定。应该先学懂了,才有资格否定。

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liuyinghelen 发表于 2010-1-3 15:08:28 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
经济学研究总是滞后的,而且总是为解释现实而研究理论。。。

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听海无声 发表于 2010-1-3 15:18:44 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
绝对的标题党!

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不是新古典的问题,是凯恩斯的错。


Or perhaps Krugman’s point is that a cabal of obvious crackpots bedazzled all of macroeconomics with the beauty of their mathematics, to the point of inducing policy paralysis. Alas, that won’t stick. The sad fact is that few in Washington pay the slightest attention to neo-classical or intertemporal ideas. Paul’s simple Keynesianism has dominated policy analysis for decades and continues to do so. From the CEA to the Fed to the OMB and CBO, everyone just adds up consumer, investment and government “demand” to forecast output and uses simple Phillips curves to think about inflation. If a failure of ideas caused bad policy, it’s Keynes’ ideas that failed. (摘自第二个链接)

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克鲁格曼,先回去读读文献再扯。

The future of economics.

How should economics change? Krugman argues for three incompatible changes.


First, Krugman argues for a future of economics that “recognizes flaws and frictions,” and incorporates alternative assumptions about behavior, especially towards risk-taking. To which I say, “Hello, Paul, where have you been for the last 30 years?” Macroeconomists have not spent 30 years admiring the eternal verities of Kydland and Prescott’s 1982 paper. Pretty much all we have been doing for 30 years is introducing flaws, frictions and new behaviors, especially new models of attitudes to risk, and comparing the resulting models, quantitatively, to data. The long literature on financial crises and banking which Krugman does not mention has been doing exactly this bidding for the same time.


以上摘自第二个链接


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克鲁格曼,端起碗吃饭放下碗骂娘不厚道啊,知道你得了诺奖,也不能太自私吧。


Third, and most surprising, is Krugman’s Luddite attack on mathematics; “economists as a group, mistook beauty, clad in impressive-looking mathematics, for truth.” Models are “gussied up with fancy equations.” I’m old enough to remember when Krugman was young, working out the interactions of game theory and increasing returns in international trade, and the old guard tut-tutted “nice recreational mathematics, but not real-world at all.” How quickly time passes.



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常亮 发表于 2010-1-3 15:50:42 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
我也开始觉得定量分析越来越不是那么一回事了

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不用数学行吗?问题是我们的数学不够用!


Again, what is the alternative? Does Krugman really think we can make progress on his – and my – agenda for economic and financial research — understanding frictions, imperfect markets, complex human behavior, institutional rigidities – by reverting to a literary style of exposition, and abandoning the attempt to compare theories quantitatively against data? Against the worldwide tide of quantification in all fields of human endeavor (read “Moneyball”) is there any real hope that this will work in economics?


No, the problem is that we don’t have enough math. Math in economics serves to keep the logic straight, to make sure that the “then” really does follow the “if,” which it so frequently does not if you just write prose. The challenge is how hard it is to write down explicit artificial economies with these ingredients, actually solve them, in order to see what makes them tick. Frictions are just bloody hard with the mathematical tools we have now.

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经济学家也是有道德的啊,小克你这样曲解我太不地道了吧。Lucas算是你师爷吧,你都敢嘲笑,别以为Dornbush去了就没人敢管你这个debunker了。

The level of personal attack in this article, and fudging of the facts to achieve it, is simply amazing.


As one little example (ok, I’m a bit sensitive), take my quotation about carpenters in Nevada. I didn’t write this. It’s a quote, taken out of context, from a bloomberg.com article written by a rather dense reporter who I spent about 10 hours with patiently trying to explain some basics. (It’s the last time I’ll do that!) I was trying to explain how sectoral shifts contribute to unemployment. Krugman follows it by a lie — I never asserted that “it take mass unemployment across the whole nation to get carpenters to move out of Nevada.” You can’t even dredge up a quote for that monstrosity.


What’s the point? I don’t think Paul disagrees that sectoral shifts result in some unemployment, so the quote actually makes sense as economics. The only point is to make me, personally, seem heartless — a pure, personal, calumnious attack, having nothing to do with economics.


Bob Lucas has written extensively on Keynesian and monetarist economics, sensibly and even-handedly. Krugman chooses to quote a joke, made back in 1980 at a lunch talk to some business school alumni. Really, this is on the level of the picture of Barack Obama with Bill Ayres that Sean Hannity likes to show on Fox News.

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yangzhongze 发表于 2010-1-3 15:59:05 |只看作者 |坛友微信交流群
学着累啊·~

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